Geert Leinders

[Dr. Maserati]

JV is on the record more than once stating Sky is clean. Who's driveling?

EDIT: my initial point (that Sky dissing Leinders is reminiscent of how Garmin dissed White) was on topic. your response to it was off topic.
please remain on topic next time.

JV is also on the record here on this forum stating he does not know what exactly Sky are doing - so it has zero relevance, just more of your drivel.

Your initial point is of Sky dissing Leinders is nothing like what happened with Garmin, nothing. So, it wasn't on topic - just repetitive nonsense.
You bring up JV/Garmin in every thread and then complain about going off topic?

 

[Knutsen]

He's mentioned on their website as early as April 2011.

http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,20981_6856121,00.html

Please don't derail this thread with facts. You are spoiling the party.

 

[Parker]

Please don't derail this thread with facts. You are spoiling the party.

You wait till I take off the David Guetta records and start playing Leonard Cohen.

 

[Arnout]

He's mentioned on their website as early as April 2011.

http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,20981_6856121,00.html

So tell me, where is the announcement? Why was Brailsford so dodgy about it until the 2012 Tour?

 

[Parker]

So tell me, where is the announcement? Why was Brailsford so dodgy about it until the 2012 Tour?

He's a doctor, not a rider. Show me any other time that a team has announced any backroom person (other than a DS).

 

[Arnout]

He's a doctor, not a rider. Show me any other time that a team has announced any backroom person.

http://www.fundacioneuskadi.com/pag/ca_equipo_organigrama.asp?cod=0&cod2=6&ocultar=1&ocultarp=1

First team I looked for. All personnel nicely listed, including doctors. Why not with Sky? Why isn't he included in the team officially?

 

[Parker]

http://www.fundacioneuskadi.com/pag/ca_equipo_organigrama.asp?cod=0&cod2=6&ocultar=1&ocultarp=1

First team I looked for. All personnel nicely listed, including doctors. Why not with Sky? Why isn't he included in the team officially?

No. That's a website that lists who their personel are. Just as Sky did with their doctors. Leinders was widely mentioned on Sky's website.

You claimed their should be an announcement. Show me an announcement about a doctor - or other lesser known staff - from any team.

 

[thehog]

No. That's a website that lists who their personel are. Just as Sky did with their doctors. Leinders was widely mentioned on Sky's website.

You claimed their should be an announcement. Show me an announcement about a doctor - or other lesser known staff - from any team.

All Garmin Doctors and physicians have their own page and bio with associated stories on the Slipstream site. Even their Contenental team lists out the team doctor.

and...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/allen-lim-confirmed-with-radioshack

Rice cakes himself made his announcement along with RS issuing a press release.

Team Saxo-Bank have a dedicated page to their Doctors and staff along with Bio's on each:

http://teamsaxobanktinkoffbank.com/person_profiles.asp?p_c_id=9,10,12,13,19

As does Rabobank and several others.

Spot the difference.

 

[ferryman]

Man are all you guys bitter. You wanted him to fire Lienders so he fired him and now you moan that he listened to you.

He has just fired the 1 guy on the team with a dodgy history. How can yall spin this as anything but a 0 tolerance approach to doping

Nah. I don't think anyone actually thought he was still employed. The peeps on here wanted an honest report in to the 'investigation' in to him. Ha ha. And as for the 1 guy with a dodgy history, I hear ya loud and cleeaaar

 

[Arnout]

No. That's a website that lists who their personel are. Just as Sky did with their doctors. Leinders was widely mentioned on Sky's website.

You claimed their should be an announcement. Show me an announcement about a doctor - or other lesser known staff - from any team.

http://www.fundacioneuskadi.com/pag...r=1&ocultarp=1&Id=1218&cboanyo=2008&cbomes=11



Again, why is he not listed under their staff? He first shows up on the Sky website in the Scheldeprijs 2011, after that in Vuelta 2011, in mentioned quote. Then he gets a lot of mentions in 2012, but only in race reports, not as member of their organization. Why not, as according to Brailsford he is employed since 2010?

 

[The Hitch]

Please don't derail this thread with facts. You are spoiling the party.

yeah we totally made up that lienders worked with sky.

 

[Parker]

http://www.fundacioneuskadi.com/pag...r=1&ocultarp=1&Id=1218&cboanyo=2008&cbomes=11
Again, why is he not listed under their staff? He first shows up on the Sky website in the Scheldeprijs 2011, after that in Vuelta 2011, in mentioned quote. Then he gets a lot of mentions in 2012, but only in race reports, not as member of their organization. Why not, as according to Brailsford he is employed since 2010?

Your link is announcing a new general manager - that's a big deal. Now do you have anything announcing anyone smaller than the boss. Any team announcing a doctor?

He gets mentioned sporadically because he's a doctor - and that's it. No different than a mechanic or a masseur. Not a major story. They are not the centre of attention.

 

[hrotha]

If the circumstances involving the hiring of Leinders were so dramatic (they hired him because Txema González died! You know, officially), I think some announcement would have been in order. But OK, that's hardly important in the grand scheme of things.

What matters here is that they decided to go away with their stated policy to hire a doctor who had previous and who turned out to be a doping doctor, which we have every reason to suspect they already knew at the time. Discussing whether or not an announcement should have been expected is only distracting us, IMO.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Your link is announcing a new general manager - that's a big deal. Now do you have anything announcing anyone smaller than the boss. Any team announcing a doctor?

He gets mentioned sporadically because he's a doctor - and that's it. No different than a mechanic or a masseur. Not a major story. They are not the centre of attention.

But on most sites they have the Doctors listed - while I would not expect an update if someone starts in the middle of a year I would expect them to be listed at the start of a new season.

Anyway - its rather irrelevant, as the damning information about Leinders was not known publicly until early this year - but Sky should have known about him before hiring him, if they were true to their own statements.

 

[Arnout]

Your link is announcing a new general manager - that's a big deal. Now do you have anything announcing anyone smaller than the boss. Any team announcing a doctor?

He gets mentioned sporadically because he's a doctor - and that's it. No different than a mechanic or a masseur. Not a major story. They are not the centre of attention.

I cite: "En el apartado médico, Raquel Ortolano cubrirá la baja de Eduardo González Salvador. Guillermo Cuesta seguirá un año más al frente de los servicios médicos con el apoyo de Sergio Quilez. Juan García López, profesor de la Universidad de León, continuará trabajando con el equipo en los aspectos de biomecánica, labor que lleva a cabo desde 2005, mientras que Nicolas Pescheux seguirá siendo el osteópata de la formación."

Anyway, I think it is a major story, as team Sky promised they wouldn't hire doctors with a past in cycling, and they promised to be transparent. They didn't keep both promises. What reason is there to believe other statements coming from Team Sky?

 

[ferryman]

Your link is announcing a new general manager - that's a big deal. Now do you have anything announcing anyone smaller than the boss. Any team announcing a doctor?

He gets mentioned sporadically because he's a doctor - and that's it. No different than a mechanic or a masseur. Not a major story. They are not the centre of attention.

You did read the second paragraph right? That seems like pretty good disclosure of medical assistance to me.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

You wait till I take off the David Guetta records and start playing Leonard Cohen.

This would improve any party. David Guetta sucks, while Leonard Cohen is one of the greatest living musicians.

 

[Parker]

But on most sites they have the Doctors listed - while I would not expect an update if someone starts in the middle of a year I would expect them to be listed at the start of a new season.

Anyway - its rather irrelevant, as the damning information about Leinders was not known publicly until early this year - but Sky should have known about him before hiring him, if they were true to their own statements.

And Sky list the doctors for all their races too. What people are objecting to is that they weren't personally told about Leinders and his connection to Rabobank. They seem to expect some gala opening.

Leinders's 'reputation' has been built entirely since Sky started winning and someone wanted to create a story. No-one mentioned him on here prior to 2012, despite apparently being a famous doping doctor that everyone knew about.
You say there is 'damning information', but there isn't. Where is there anything connecting him, by name, to anything worse than giving a rider a salt tablet? Yet, he seems to have been elevated to some sort of Ferrari level. It makes you wonder why Rabo went all the way to Vienna when he was on theor doorstep.

 

[The Hitch]

I cite: "En el apartado médico, Raquel Ortolano cubrirá la baja de Eduardo González Salvador. Guillermo Cuesta seguirá un año más al frente de los servicios médicos con el apoyo de Sergio Quilez. Juan García López, profesor de la Universidad de León, continuará trabajando con el equipo en los aspectos de biomecánica, labor que lleva a cabo desde 2005, mientras que Nicolas Pescheux seguirá siendo el osteópata de la formación."

Anyway, I think it is a major story, as team Sky promised they wouldn't hire doctors with a past in cycling, and they promised to be transparent. They didn't keep both promises. What reason is there to believe other statements coming from Team Sky?

Not only did they promise, their promise to do so and perceived success in doing so, is cited as strong evidence that they are clean.

 

[The Hitch]

This would improve any party. David Guetta sucks, while Leonard Cohen is one of the greatest living musicians.

Where do i find such people in real life (as in outside the internets)

 

[Dr. Maserati]

And Sky list the doctors for all their races too. What people are objecting to is that they weren't personally told about Leinders and his connection to Rabobank. They seem to expect some gala opening.

No, not a gala opening - just some plain honesty would be refreshing.
But of course it's "the peoples" fault that Sky hired a dodgy Doc.

Leinders's 'reputation' has been built entirely since Sky started winning and someone wanted to create a story. No-one mentioned him on here prior to 2012, despite apparently being a famous doping doctor that everyone knew about.
You say there is 'damning information', but there isn't. Where is there anything connecting him, by name, to anything worse than giving a rider a salt tablet? Yet, he seems to have been elevated to some sort of Ferrari level. It makes you wonder why Rabo went all the way to Vienna when he was on theor doorstep.

Leinders reputation was not built since Sky - he earned it.
And Sky hired him.

Interesting point about having Leinders & human plasma at Rabobank - makes you wonder where Sky go, eh?

 

[sittingbison]

...You say there is 'damning information', but there isn't. Where is there anything connecting him, by name, to anything worse than giving a rider a salt tablet? Yet, he seems to have been elevated to some sort of Ferrari level. It makes you wonder why Rabo went all the way to Vienna when he was on theor doorstep.

Perhaps you should actually read this very thread before writing such complete and utter drivel

Pay attention to Franklins posts.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Anyway, I think it is a major story, as team Sky promised they wouldn't hire doctors with a past in cycling, and they promised to be transparent. They didn't keep both promises. What reason is there to believe other statements coming from Team Sky?

I disagree, and have posted this numerous times: http://road.cc/content/news/31011-dave-brailsford-hints-team-sky-may-be-softening-anti-doping-stance

Dave Brailsford, performance director of British Cycling<blah blah blah>, and has also revealed that Team Sky, where he is team principal, may relax its policy of not employing people associated with doping in the past.

The story goes on to discuss Neil Stephens as an example (that's called misdirection).

The interview is Feb 15th, 2011. I am guessing Leinders came on board not long after.

 

[Ferminal]

Who replaced him?

I mean this is a guy who was employed to save lives, can't just let him go and not have someone ready to take over.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Great play by Brailsford. Transparent as always.