Geert Leinders

[thehog]

I almost feel bad for Walsh. His fanboys writings is going to look even dumber when everything comes crashing down.

LOL! I love it! Walsh certainly is an amazing investigative journalist.

That is Bot-tastic

 

[blackcat]

kerrison brought the marginal gains.

remember in LAnce's comeback, he had hired a triathlon coach, an Australian !!! an Australian triathlon coach who K Street and Burson Marstellar Orwelled into a euphemism weasel word "movement specialist".

Armstrong had a movement specialist. And i dont think they were talking bowel movement, just sayin, and Sky had a swimming coach.

Was there a rowing coach anywhere? Kerrison coached swimming in Brisbane no? And at some point in time he had some coaching relationship to Ian Thorpe no?

all so incestuous this doping palava. Instead of Schepisi directing 7 degrees of Separation with Will Smith, he could have directed 3 degrees of Separation with Hein Verbruggen and doping.

Not true, my friend.

attempting to find how this apocryphal misconception prevailed
see post:#28 http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=18595&page=3

 

[oldcrank]

attempting to find how this apocryphal misconception prevailed
see post:#28 http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=18595&page=3

I understand, my friend, there is lots of
misinformation prevailing in that thread,
including post #27.

 

[thehog]

I almost feel bad for Walsh. His fanboys writings is going to look even dumber when everything comes crashing down.

I was hoping Oleg was going to hire Leinders to really p1ss off Sky but now they've gone and banned him for life. Leinders will just have to consult freelance.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I understand, my friend, there is lots of
misinformation prevailing in that thread,
including post #27.

could you clarify which bit of #27 is incorrect?

 

[the sceptic]

I was hoping Oleg was going to hire Leinders to really p1ss off Sky but now they've gone and banned him for life. Leinders will just have to consult freelance.

well, I don't think Walsh has been banned yet. For the right price, I'm sure he could write a book about Contador too!

 

[thehog]

well, I don't think Walsh has been banned yet. For the right price, I'm sure he could write a book about Contador too!

True. Although I have the suspicion Walsh might be a little bit anti-euro as much as he is anti-American. He only ever seems to have praise for all things British/Irish.

 

[veganrob]

I was hoping Oleg was going to hire Leinders to really p1ss off Sky but now they've gone and banned him for life. Leinders will just have to consult freelance.

Leinders would make a lot more money freelancing. The Ferrari business model is far better.

 

[Fzotrlool]

The Leinders/Sky affair is still a puzzle. Anyone who can reconstruct a timeline of what of might have happened?

 

[Jack (6 ch)]

The Leinders/Sky affair is still a puzzle. Anyone who can reconstruct a timeline of what of might have happened?

1. Sky are mediocre
2. Leinders joins
3. Wiggo wins Tour!

 

[Fzotrlool]

1. Sky are mediocre
2. Leinders joins
3. Wiggo wins Tour!

Well, that's the minimalistic version of it.

 

[Benotti69]

1. Sky are mediocre
2. Leinders joins
3. Wiggo wins Tour!

Well, that's the minimalistic version of it.

1. Sky are mediocre
2. Leinders joins
3. Wiggo has a 8month long peak, wins Tour, Olympics TT Gold!

Any better?

 

[Fzotrlool]

1. Sky are mediocre
2. Leinders joins
3. Wiggo has a 8month long peak, wins Tour, Olympics TT Gold!

Any better?

Slightly, but not much. I want a detailed, hypothetical timeline.

Why did they those Leinders? How could a mediocre team become the best in the world? Why the sudden rise of the British riders? How did they get such a big sponsor? Which drugs are they using? When did they become BFF with the UCI?

 

[sniper]

1. Sky are mediocre
2. Leinders joins
3. Wiggo has a 8month long peak, wins Tour, Olympics TT Gold!

Any better?

LOL

There can be no doubt that leinders was hired for doping purposes, but it seems debatable if he was the guy behind Wiggins transformation which I would say happened in 2009 already.
Maybe they worked together back then already, maybe not.

 

[TailWindHome]

Any better?

You can't summarise the timeline and leave out the recruitment of the riders I listed several pages back.

Well you can, but you just look daft.

You should also mention the dramatic improvement in Froome

And acknowledge that Leinders left Sky 2 1/2 years ago...

 

[thehog]

1. Sky are mediocre
2. Leinders joins
3. Wiggo wins Tour!

4. No positives! (Thanks Zorzoli-zilla)

 

[sniper]

Slightly, but not much. I want a detailed, hypothetical timeline.

Why did they those Leinders? How could a mediocre team become the best in the world? Why the sudden rise of the British riders? How did they get such a big sponsor? Which drugs are they using? When did they become BFF with the UCI?

not to put you off, but you could find some intriguing answers and/or clues by going through some of the threads on Sky.
For instance, the British Cycling academy in Italy run by Sciandri is compellingly dodgy. You should read up on that.

Just saying, it's not just about the hiring of Leinders, or the hiring of a couple of former dopers such as Julich, Knaven, De Jongh, and allround enablers like Yates/Sutton.
Nor is it just about hiring Cookson jr., getting Walsh on board, doing powerpoint presentations for ASO/UCI, having Zorzoli on speeddial to fasttrack TUEs.

Nor is it just about Wiggins' and Froome's transformations miraculously timed to coincide with the London Games.

 

[Fzotrlool]

not to put you off, but you could find some intriguing answers and/or clues by going through some of the threads on Sky.
For instance, the British Cycling academy in Italy run by Sciandri is compellingly dodgy. You should read up on that.

Just saying, it's not just about the hiring of Leinders, or the hiring of a couple of former dopers such as Julich, Knaven, De Jongh, and allround enablers like Yates/Sutton.
Nor is it just about hiring Cookson jr., getting Walsh on board, doing powerpoint presentations for ASO/UCI, having Zorzoli on speeddial to fasttrack TUEs.

Nor is it just about Wiggins' and Froome's transformations miraculously timed to coincide with the London Games.

That's why we need a timeline in order to put all the pieces together. There are so many clues, but they are entangled with one another. Who can solve the puzzle?

 

[sniper]

That's why we need a timeline in order to put all the pieces together. There are so many clues, but they are entangled with one another. Who can solve the puzzle?

nobody can, for now.
with Lance/USPS, only in the latter stages when people started to talk did we find out who exactly was involved, how, when, where, etc.
And there are still gaps in that story.

With Sky the only certainty is that they're doping.
How, when, where, and with whose consent, that's mostly guess work.

 

[blackcat]

could you clarify which bit of #27 is incorrect?

think the popularity of Stillnox came about, because they never used it as a sleeping tab, they like the benzodiazepam hit with the red bull chaser. = legal coke or amphetamine, aint gonna test positive no sirrreeeee

See: Grant Hacket working round in his Greek toga slash nappie at Crown casino.

or alcohol instead of red bull.

ask any women in double bay or kew what a zanax and a chardonnay does for them. they are doping thru the dissonance of their husbands sleeping with their personal assistants.

addendum: actually, I think OldCrank refers to Henry won those races in 2004 in Athens under Rollason AND KERRISON and the QIS. did they have their own club or squad or were they within the QIS group, like an Ian Pope at VicCentre.

I like how the VicCentre's Pope had Massimiliano Rossilini the medley swimmer, or 400 free swimmer, in his group. Think Rossi had an Australian grandparent, and a doping positive. Who else was at VicCentre. The 50metre sprinter who is a coach at a US university, and has an eagle or bird tattooed on his back in eponymous meta style. cant remember his name this sec. giaan rooney came down from miami and cotteral on the white shoe strip. but everyone had to "seek assistance" at that level.

The Stefan Widmar group, + Rollason and Kerrison group had the best female swimmers ever compiled on the planet in such a small room. henry rice leisel? libby lenton, now are not the sisters who are sprinters up there too? great swimmers, but equivalent assistance as cyclists tho. maybe not the dopeheads in cycling i stress.

 

[blackcat]

nobody can, for now.
with Lance/USPS, only in the latter stages when people started to talk did we find out who exactly was involved, how, when, where, etc.
And there are still gaps in that story.

With Sky the only certainty is that they're doping.
How, when, where, and with whose consent, that's mostly guess work.

actually, I would contest this.

The books that came out, OConnell and Albergotti and the other books, yeah, they fleshed the story out for most.

But for me, as esteemed member of the Clinic 12, it is/was just white noise. My overarching narrative was soooo complete. so complete. partly thnx to following Race Radio across nearly half a dozen cycling boards, but also other insider info I was able to come across.

We are not the judge jury and hangman. We are merely the hangman. You can either pull the level on the floordrop, or you can sharpen the axeman's blade like a saudi executioner.

 

[blackcat]

I will tell you a true piece of the puzzle that no one knows.

When Frankie does Tour Talk with James Startt in France in July, Betsy is batwoman Motowoman driving her kawazaki in black leather across Europe shuttling Froome and Wiggins dope for them. She had to play arbiter between Cound n Cath when the scrag fight got heated and the nails came out.

 

[SundayRider]

LOL

There can be no doubt that leinders was hired for doping purposes, but it seems debatable if he was the guy behind Wiggins transformation which I would say happened in 2009 already.
Maybe they worked together back then already, maybe not.

Wiggins had his own system in 2009, Leinders was brought to Sky to help implement/refine it? The ex Rabo riders are the obvious link. Wiggins went backwards at the 2010 Tour - went from 4th/3rd back to what 25th? Froome transformation started the year that Leinders was involved. Then there is the ultra strong team performance at 2012 Tour, coincidentally the team as a complete unit has never been as strong since.

 

[Digger]

Wiggins had his own system in 2009, Leinders was brought to Sky to help implement/refine it? The ex Rabo riders are the obvious link. Wiggins went backwards at the 2010 Tour - went from 4th/3rd back to what 25th? Froome transformation started the year that Leinders was involved. Then there is the ultra strong team performance at 2012 Tour, coincidentally the team as a complete unit has never been as strong since.

I believe froome flew solo in 2011 - got the result he did at the vuelta, and DB had little choice but to embrace him into the inner circle and what that entailed. No way could I see them doping froome in 2011, considering he was being let go...after that though......

 

[blackcat]

Wiggins had his own system in 2009, Leinders was brought to Sky to help implement/refine it? The ex Rabo riders are the obvious link. Wiggins went backwards at the 2010 Tour - went from 4th/3rd back to what 25th? Froome transformation started the year that Leinders was involved. Then there is the ultra strong team performance at 2012 Tour, coincidentally the team as a complete unit has never been as strong since.

well, I thought Sky previously had some ridiculously good performances by road captains kurt asle arvesen who was well replaced tho by Vasil Kiryienka in 2013.

those two riders at the top of their game, would be on my team before any other high profile super domestiques