Geert Leinders

[SundayRider]

I believe froome flew solo in 2011 - got the result he did at the vuelta, and DB had little choice but to embrace him into the inner circle and what that entailed. No way could I see them doping froome in 2011, considering he was being let go...after that though......

Yeah that is true as Froome didn't even make the 2011 Tour squad did he yet six weeks later at the Vuelta. I think Wiggins was probably the instigator after the poor year in 2010, hence Leinders.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

With Sky the only certainty is that they're doping.
How, when, where, and with whose consent, that's mostly guess work.

Great post, sniper. Succinct summary. Bravo.

 

[SundayRider]

Great post, sniper. Succinct summary. Bravo.

Why would they hire Leinders then? Have you read the USADA report? They could have hired any Doctor (or sports Doctor) yet they choose one who blood doped and provided a wide range of doping products to riders without them failing tests. They had a number of riders on the team who had also worked with Leinders at Rabo. I'm sure they could of hired a number of Doctors who work for British cycling yet they choose Leinders who they knew had worked for Rabobank.

 

[sniper]

Why would they hire Leinders then? Have you read the USADA report? They could have hired any Doctor (or sports Doctor) yet they choose one who blood doped and provided a wide range of doping products to riders without them failing tests. They had a number of riders on the team who had also worked with Leinders at Rabo. I'm sure they could of hired a number of Doctors who work for British cycling yet they choose Leinders who they knew had worked for Rabobank.

Correct, it's a nobrainer

 

[Ventoux Boar]

Why would they hire Leinders then? Have you read the USADA report? They could have hired any Doctor (or sports Doctor) yet they choose one who blood doped and provided a wide range of doping products to riders without them failing tests. They had a number of riders on the team who had also worked with Leinders at Rabo. I'm sure they could of hired a number of Doctors who work for British cycling yet they choose Leinders who they knew had worked for Rabobank.

Unlike the ouija-operators with their certainty, I don't pretend to know. But I suggest it's unlikely that Brailsford decided to hide his covert doping mastermind, with a well-known history - Ferrari Mk II - on his website in Sky gear.

 

[ebandit]

timeline

so leinders was working with team sky from 2010..............team sky state

this was on a freelance basis with few days with riders

july 2012 this thread starts questioning leinders previous position at

rabobank........at rabobank he was team director etc

oct 2012.......usada reasoned decision pointing the fingure at leinders

leinders is released from team sky as failing to conform to ztp

remember early on rabobank stated 'doping was tolerated on the team

ensuring health of riders' it's only later on that that changed to team

was running a programme

so the question remains...what was leinders specific activities at team sky

and how much was really known of leinders past by team sky management

...leinders was obviously greatly experienced/knowledgable in sports

science/cycling

Mark L

 

[blackcat]

Unlike the ouija-operators with their certainty, I don't pretend to know. But I suggest it's unlikely that Brailsford decided to hide his covert doping mastermind, with a well-known history - Ferrari Mk II - on his website in Sky gear.

have you heard the epigram hide in plain sight.

all that much better when you can control the media message, and lead the story, nothing to hide innit?

much more suspicious to be in the background. That riders were clients ceccho, of Ferrari, makes them all the more suspicious.

brailsford needed the cyclingAigle IQ, for butter and head and Zarzoli on speedial.

better to have those docs with relationships to the road medical supervisor in Aigle, like Zarzoli.

track docs just do not have the contacts.

road doping is fundamentally different from track doping. you are travelling 200km a stage on the continent, and you need your protection from the authorities, and your JFK motocade so the gendarmes dont go thru your fricken trash looking for colustrum, acto acto actovegin no stutter, and for insulin.

having an experience team, provides the cover. The cover does not get provided from your docs in manchester. they can handle ian curtis and expendible expedience JTL acronym respect

 

[SundayRider]

Unlike the ouija-operators with their certainty, I don't pretend to know. But I suggest it's unlikely that Brailsford decided to hide his covert doping mastermind, with a well-known history - Ferrari Mk II - on his website in Sky gear.

The probability that he was brought in for the obvious far far outweighs the probability that he was a changed man. Like I said if they just wanted a regular Doctor monitor health of riders then just employ a regular Doctor and avoid the negative publicity. Simple really.

 

[SundayRider]

have you heard the epigram hide in plain sight.

all that much better when you can control the media message, and lead the story, nothing to hide innit?

much more suspicious to be in the background. That riders were clients ceccho, of Ferrari, makes them all the more suspicious.

brailsford needed the cyclingAigle IQ, for butter and head and Zarzoli on speedial.

better to have those docs with relationships to the road medical supervisor in Aigle, like Zarzoli.

track docs just do not have the contacts.

road doping is fundamentally different from track doping. you are travelling 200km a stage on the continent, and you need your protection from the authorities, and your JFK motocade so the gendarmes dont go thru your fricken trash looking for colustrum, acto acto actovegin no stutter, and for insulin.

having an experience team, provides the cover. The cover does not get provided from your docs in manchester. they can handle ian curtis and expendible expedience JTL acronym respect

This. I was just going to post about 'hiding in plain sight', less suspicious than riders meeting a doctor/trainer who isn't part of the team.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

have you heard the epigram hide in plain sight.

all that much better when you can control the media message, and lead the story, nothing to hide innit?

having an experience team, provides the cover. The cover does not get provided from your docs in manchester. they can handle ian curtis and expendible expedience JTL acronym respect

Brilliant. Explains all the nonsense about zero tolerance. Genius cover.

How you think they're keeping him quiet?

 

[SundayRider]

Brilliant. Explains all the nonsense about zero tolerance. Genius cover.

How you think they're keeping him quiet?

The zero tolerance was only a cover though wasn't it. Pretty clear that they had riders/staff with obvious histories. The media didn't really question or do any digging around this issue though.

 

[sniper]

apparently necessary to post this again.
ventoux boar, ebandit,
1 minute of your time:
min. 18:15 to min. 19:15
https://soundcloud.com/secondcaptains-it-com/cheating-special-leinders-team-sky-russia-belichick

 

[neineinei]

so leinders was working with team sky from 2010..............team sky state

this was on a freelance basis with few days with riders

july 2012 this thread starts questioning leinders previous position at

rabobank........at rabobank he was team director etc

oct 2012.......usada reasoned decision pointing the fingure at leinders

leinders is released from team sky as failing to conform to ztp

remember early on rabobank stated 'doping was tolerated on the team

ensuring health of riders' it's only later on that that changed to team

was running a programme

so the question remains...what was leinders specific activities at team sky

and how much was really known of leinders past by team sky management

...leinders was obviously greatly experienced/knowledgable in sports

science/cycling

Mark L

For a team doctor what difference is there between "doping is tolerated on the team" and "team program"? There is a big difference to the riders, they have to get their doping products themselves if there is no team program, but the doc still has to know about it. He needs to monitor it, see to the riders not testing positive. Are you saying that was attractive to Sky?

 

[peloton]

But I suggest it's unlikely that Brailsford decided to hide his covert doping mastermind, with a well-known history - Ferrari Mk II - on his website in Sky gear.

Why? Other teams are doing it too

http://www.etixx-quickstep.com/en/team/staff

 

[Benotti69]

so leinders was working with team sky from 2010..............team sky state

Before we go further. You are defending a professional outfit hiring a known doping doctor. Anyone who believes sky lies about not knowing Leinders past really should not be let out without adult supervision. Sky called Leinders a Team Doctor. Now he is busted he was 'only a consultant'. There you have Sky in a nutshell.

this was on a freelance basis with few days with riders

a few days is 2 days. Leinders was hired for 80 days a year. He worked a total according to Sky of 111 over 2 years. Not a FEW days. So stop the BS Mark.

july 2012 this thread starts questioning leinders previous position at

rabobank........at rabobank he was team director etc

and at TeamSky he was hired due to the death of a soigneur and all he did was weigh some rides in the morning and assist with saddle sores.....more BS

oct 2012.......usada reasoned decision pointing the fingure at leinders

leinders is released from team sky as failing to conform to ztp

Sky said they released him. But then again plenty denied working with Ferrari or even meeting Ferrari. Froome states he barely met Leinders, yet Geert was team doctor. More lies flowing out of TeamSky.

remember early on rabobank stated 'doping was tolerated on the team

So you believe SKy when they say they are anti doping yet hire Michael Barry, De Jongh, Jullich, Knaven, Flecha, Yates, Mick Rogers and the icing on the cake Geert Leinders.

ensuring health of riders' it's only later on that that changed to team

was running a programme

Plenty of names for doping we have a thread in here, I believe sky's is marginal gains

so the question remains...what was leinders specific activities at team sky

uh, doping, duh!!!!

and how much was really known of leinders past by team sky management

They hired him to do a job, and that was uh, doping, duh!!!!, his speciality.

uh, doping, duh!!!!

...leinders was obviously greatly experienced/knowledgable in sports

science/cycling

yeah it is called uh, doping, duh!!!!

........

.......

This is yet the biggest example of Sky getting caught lying. Brailsford gave Kimmage an interview in the early Sky days and showed him a 'tome' that they had drawn up how to race professionally clean. That according to Brailsford contained the ZTP and how they were going to do it differently from the others who resorted to doping. Kimmage said to Brailsford that appearances were all well and good but actions speak louder. Brailsford assured Kimmage in that interview that they would back up their words with actions. Sky and Brailsford have failed consistently to hold to their word. They have shown countless times they are no different from the other teams historic and current in their modus operandi. They will tell us different, but as has been pointed out so many times in the clinic they have been caught lying.

The hiring of Leinders can only be seen as team doping. The team did its due dilligence and found a doctor that could dope riders to TdF victories. They have 2 TdF wins and a big part of that is down to Leinders. OBVIOUSLY.

 

[ebandit]

limit

For a team doctor what difference is there between "doping is tolerated on the team" and "team program"? Ther

at the time i think it was damage limitation...............after being caught out

stating that 'if riders choose to charge.........we will look after them making

process as safe as possible'

Mark L

 

[Benotti69]

Why? Other teams are doing it too

http://www.etixx-quickstep.com/en/team/staff

they all look like they used themselves as guinea pigs to test their own products..

 

[Ventoux Boar]

apparently necessary to post this again.
ventoux boar, ebandit,
1 minute of your time:
min. 18:15 to min. 19:15
https://soundcloud.com/secondcaptains-it-com/cheating-special-leinders-team-sky-russia-belichick

Case closed. Look forward to the Leinders testimony.

 

[ebandit]

defence

Before we go further. You are defending a professional outfit hiring a known doping doctor.

i'm not defending anyone................my hope is to continue a process where

what is known is correalated to complete the picture

there is already too much assumption / reaching preconceived conclusions

just because leinders was doping rabobank does not automatically mean

he was doing likewise at team sky

Mark L

 

[sniper]

...
just because leinders was doping rabobank does not automatically mean

he was doing likewise at team sky

Mark L

up to sky to show otherwise.
unless they do, people with half a brain and no agenda will draw obvious conclusions.
i know you have half a brain, but the agenda...well

i haven't seen you respond yet to the several posts on the previous pages showing Brailsford doing a lot to prevent and dodge Leinders-related questions.

Give us a non-bot view on that.

 

[thehog]

i'm not defending anyone................my hope is to continue a process where

what is known is correalated to complete the picture

there is already too much assumption / reaching preconceived conclusions

just because leinders was doping rabobank does not automatically mean

he was doing likewise at team sky

Mark L

Then what was he doing at Sky then? To hold your statement true you at least need to provide an alternive reason for what he was doing at Sky.

His career is a doping doctor. It's very reasonable to expect that he continued his expertise in area of doping at Sky.

It's fairly straight forward.

 

[the sceptic]

Then what was he doing at Sky then? To hold your statement true you at least need to provide an alternive reason for what he was doing at Sky.

His career is a doping doctor. It's very reasonable to expect that he continued his expertise in area of doping at Sky.

It's fairly straight forward.

I think ventoux bandits account might have been hacked again

 

[ebandit]

r u ......serious?

Then what was he doing at Sky then? To hold your statement true you at least need to provide an alternive reason for what he was doing at Sky.

His career is a doping doctor. It's very reasonable to expect that he continued his expertise in area of doping at Sky.

It's fairly straight forward.

hoggy............i'm asking on the basis that i do NOT know..........it is not

my place to prove something i'm not party to

leinders is NOT just a doping doctor .........did he train in that field? has

he not written books on sports performance etc?

it is fair to state leinders did the job at team sky he was paid to do.......

that seems very different to rabobank

Mark L

 

[ebandit]

errr..........not exactly

up to sky to show otherwise.

............team sky can do as they choose ............racing will go on

.............feel free to speculate.......don't expect others to accept

assumptions as fact

Mark L

 

[blackcat]

Brilliant. Explains all the nonsense about zero tolerance. Genius cover.

How you think they're keeping him quiet?

any admission may mean a professional disbarring/disqualification from his medical guild. yes fuentes practises, but he just gets senoritas in stirrups and stares and pudendas and papsmears all day, and its spain.

lowlands would have a higher burden