General News Thread

[The Hitch]

Hope not in Norway, but in Belgium instead. We've been passed over way too long.

If anyone else made that post we would assume you were joking.

World Championships should be spread around the world not giving it to the same countries every few years.

Half the classics isnt enough for you?

 

[El Pistolero]

If anyone else made that post we would assume you were joking.

World Championships should be spread around the world not giving it to the same countries every few years.

Half the classics isnt enough for you?

2000 France Plouay
2001 Portugal Lisbon
2002 Belgium Zolder and Hasselt
2003 Canada Hamilton
2004 Italy Verona
2005 Spain Madrid
2006 Austria Salzburg
2007 Germany Stuttgart
2008 Italy Varese
2009 Switzerland Mendrisio
2010 Australia Melbourne and Geelong
2011 Denmark Copenhagen
2012 Netherlands Limburg
2013 Italy Florence
2014 Spain Ponferrada
2015 United States Richmond

But you're totally right, once every 14 years is way too much

You're the only one looking for any problem here so drop the "we" part.

 

[The Hitch]

2000 France Plouay
2001 Portugal Lisbon
2002 Belgium Zolder and Hasselt
2003 Canada Hamilton
2004 Italy Verona
2005 Spain Madrid
2006 Austria Salzburg
2007 Germany Stuttgart
2008 Italy Varese
2009 Switzerland Mendrisio
2010 Australia Melbourne and Geelong
2011 Denmark Copenhagen
2012 Netherlands Limburg
2013 Italy Florence
2014 Spain Ponferrada
2015 United States Richmond

Norways last worlds - 1993 -18 years ago.

Belgiums last worlds 2002 - 9 years ago.

Hope not in Norway, but in Belgium instead. We've been passed over way too long.

lol

 

[El Pistolero]

Belgium is a country with a rich cycling tradition, Norway is not. It's why a country like Italy got picked 3 times in less than 10 years. Same goes for Spain.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

2000 France Plouay
2001 Portugal Lisbon
2002 Belgium Zolder and Hasselt
2003 Canada Hamilton
2004 Italy Verona
2005 Spain Madrid
2006 Austria Salzburg
2007 Germany Stuttgart
2008 Italy Varese
2009 Switzerland Mendrisio
2010 Australia Melbourne and Geelong
2011 Denmark Copenhagen
2012 Netherlands Limburg
2013 Italy Florence
2014 Spain Ponferrada
2015 United States Richmond

But you're totally right, once every 14 years is way too much

You're the only one looking for any problem here so drop the "we" part.

23 years for norway, meanwhile they don't have 4 WT one day races.
edit: OH WAIT 5 now.

so your point is moot.

 

[The Hitch]

Belgium is a country with a rich cycling tradition, Norway is not. It's why a country like Italy got picked 3 times in less than 10 years. Same goes for Spain.

No tradition? Umm Norway won 4 stages of the Tour de France this year with 2 riders while Belgium got 2 with like half the peloton.
/El Pistolero mode. Now you know what it feels like D

 

[El Pistolero]

23 years for norway, meanwhile they don't have 4 WT one day races.
edit: OH WAIT 5 now.

Because cycling lives here which should be all the more reason to have a WC again after the fluke of 2002.

1988-2002= 14 years

I don't see any problem with a country where cycling really lives to have a WC once every 14 years.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Belgium is a country with a rich cycling tradition, Norway is not. It's why a country like Italy got picked 3 times in less than 10 years. Same goes for Spain.

you clearly understand the concept of globalizing cycling.

 

[El Pistolero]

No tradition? Umm Norway won 4 stages of the Tour de France this year with 2 riders while Belgium got 2 with like half the peloton.
/El Pistolero mode. Now you know what it feels like D

Having good cyclists has little to do with having cycling tradition. France won one stage and still has a thousand times more cycling tradition than Norway.

 

[El Pistolero]

you clearly understand the concept of globalizing cycling.

Yeah, creating useless races in China with no crowds.

That will work

Why not create a useless stage race in Russia while we're at it!

Oh wait

 

[The Hitch]

Yeah, creating useless races in China with no crowds.

That will work

This is a completely different argument. You will find that me and Timmy oppose creating new, straight to WT, stage races in non cycling countries as revolting as you do.

The world championships however is an established race. Hence staging it in China or any other country it will still be prestigious.

Having it in Australia didnt make it suck like the TDU.

By the way was the Beijing olympic road race useless as it was in china?

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Yeah, creating useless races in China with no crowds.

That will work

Why not create a useless stage race in Russia while we're at it!

Oh wait

OHOHOHO pick an non-relevant example, you must br right.

 

[El Pistolero]

This is a completely different argument. You will find that me and Timmy oppose creating new straight to WT stage race in non cycling countries as revolting as you do.

The world championships however is an established race. Hence staging it in China or any other country it will still be prestigious.

Having it in Australia didnt make it suck like the TDU.

By the way was the Beijing olympic road race useless as it was in china?

Did you see any crowds that helped globalize cycling? Do you think anyone in China watched it on TV?

 

[El Pistolero]

OHOHOHO pick an non-relevant example, you must br right.

Picking Belgium for the 2016 will not stop this "globalization of cycling". By the way, that's a myth, cycling will never be a global sport.

I was merely stating my opinion that I hope Belgium gets finally picked again. Countries like Italy and Spain have been picked multiple times already since 2002. If you want the WC to be in Norway, who am I to stop you from hoping that? Please don't try and correct people's opinion as it's ridiculous.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

sorry, I didn't realize you had such moral grounds or such a reluctance to arguing a point. Must have you mistaken for someone else.

Anyway the point is you said you hope Norway don't get it and belgium do instead(unsurpsing since your thought process revolves around four things; phil, contador, belgium and anti-dutch) and we mereley made our arguments why Norway deserve a shot also.

 

[The Hitch]

Yeah, creating useless races in China with no crowds.

That will work

Why not create a useless stage race in Russia while we're at it!

Oh wait

What on earth do your stage race examples have to do with the world championships?

Also what do they have to do with Norway.

Comparing starting a new stage race in China, to letting Norway - a pretty good cycling country, host the world championships is stretching it, no?

 

[El Pistolero]

What on earth do your stage race examples have to do with the world championships?

Also what do they have to do with Norway.

Comparing starting a new stage race in China, to letting Norway - a pretty good cycling country, host the world championships is stretching it, no?

You're the ones that started bringing up WT events and the globalization of cycling.

I never said the WC should never be hosted in a country like Norway, I was merely stating my opinion and hopes that Belgium will get elected for the WC instead as I think 14 years is a long time yes. How many WC visit every single province in the host country? It would be good for the fans, go to hell with globalization. Norway can still go the year after that

But Belgium has been bidding for quite some time now and every year UCI corruption grows stronger(2015, only one bidder left? Oh, brother of Pat Mquad? You wouldn't say...)

 

[The Hitch]

You're the only one looking for any problem here so drop the "we" part.

You're the ones that started bringing up WT events and the globalization of cycling.

So its plural afterall

 

[El Pistolero]

23 years for norway, meanwhile they don't have 4 WT one day races.
edit: OH WAIT 5 now.

so your point is moot.

No this is the first post that brought up WT races.
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But I'll explain the reason why I brought up Tour of Beijing and Tour of Russia in the first place. Timmy was sarcastically stating about how I clearly understood globalization. And I responded with sarcasm. I'm taking a dig at the UCI here because I don't agree with how they try and globalize cycling through events they organize(like the WC, Tour of Beijing and probably Tour of Tsar Putin). Just my opinion though. It doesn't have anything to do with the WC discussion we were having, just taking a cheap shot at the UCI there.

 

[The Hitch]

But Belgium has been bidding for quite some time now and every year UCI corruption grows stronger(2015, only one bidder left? Oh, brother of Pat Mquad? You wouldn't say...)

The Us last held the WC in 1986.

Theyve been a pretty good cycling country in the meantime.

And yet, you find a way to complain about them being chosen above Belgium too

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

No this is the first post that brought up WT races.

different contect, one is making the point that belgium already has many huge events per year, while the other is an non-revelant example of alternatices to belgium and golbalizing.

you're clutching at straws.

 

[El Pistolero]

The Us last held the WC in 1986.

Theyve been a pretty good cycling country in the meantime.

And yet, you find a way to complain about them being chosen above Belgium too

No, not complaining about them getting chosen, but on HOW they got chosen That's a subtle difference, so I'd like it if you not twist my words. Happens far enough already in history.

 

[El Pistolero]

different contect, one is making the point that belgium already has many huge events per year, while the other is an non-revelant example of alternatices to belgium and golbalizing.

you're clutching at straws.

So has Italy and yet: 3 WC in less than 10 years(yet I don't hear you complain about that).

And me mentioning those crappy stage races had indeed nothing to do with this discussion. But you asked if I understood the globalization of cycling. Of course I understand, you globalize cycling by creating crappy stage races in countries where no one will watch it. No?

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

So has Italy and yet: 3 WC in less than 10 years(yet I don't hear you complain about that).

And me mentioning those crappy stage races had indeed nothing to do with this discussion. But you asked if I understood the globalization of cycling. Of course I understand, you globalize cycling by creating crappy stage races in countries where no one will watch it. No?

yes because someone here suggested italy as a world champ host.. oh wait.

what's done is done, I don't like taht italy had so many either.

FYI i don't have that much problem with belgium hosting a world champ after 15 years or whatever, but the comparison to Norway I would pick norway.

 

[The Hitch]

So has Italy and yet: 3 WC in less than 10 years(yet I don't hear you complain about that).

Silly comment.

Of course if an Italian poster came on and said that he thinks Italy deserve the worlds in 2013 ahead of Norway, because they are overdue, we would treat them just the same, don't you worry Pisti

But there hasnt been an italian poster saying that so we havent commented. And yet you try to make it out as if we are just out to get Belgium.

Its as if a Christian asked an atheist - why aren't you picking on Judaism