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Ryo Hazuki

Ryo Hazuki

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roundabout said:
None of them would have done anything.

Maybe we should start a poll, is Sarmento the worst Girobio winner ever?
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no he's not and he started off very well as a pro. only he is injured so often his career is near an end
 
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De Snelle Duif

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Inviting Colombia to every other race but not to the Giro seems a little bit strange, what are they supposed to do in a race like Milano-Sanremo?
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Yeah, a team like Wanty would fit way better with their type of riders. Surprised they didn't get invited for any of the races while they bought Gasparotto and Marcato.
 
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De Snelle Duif said:
Yeah, a team like Wanty would fit way better with their type of riders. Surprised they didn't get invited for any of the races while they bought Gasparotto and Marcato.
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Yeah i agree. Th invitations to the Giro but most importantly to the other races make no sense to me. How would you not invite Wanty to races like Milan San Remo and Il Lombardia with the riders they have. It must be really disappointing for Wanty.
 
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KubaWinter

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Today's La Gazzetta is commenting the invitation for polish CCC, saying that World Champion is from Poland, Tour de Pologne is developing really fast and Poland is important market for RCS and Italy is important market for CCC. Vegni also stated that Rebellin and Schumacher will not start in Giro.

CCC is involved in cycling for more than a decade. They sponsored orange pro cycling team, were sponsor of Polish Cycling Federation (take a look on Kwiato's polish jersey). They already participated in Giro in 2003 with Dariusz Baranowski finishing just outside first 10 in GC. And CCC's daughter company, Sprandi, will sponsor Strade Bianche.

IMO, they've got good riders, they're committed to cycling and they've got plan to develop into WT team in some years. I hope they'll make a good result.
 
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pastronef

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KubaWinter said:
Today's La Gazzetta is commenting the invitation for polish CCC, saying that World Champion is from Poland, Tour de Pologne is developing really fast and Poland is important market for RCS and Italy is important market for CCC. Vegni also stated that Rebellin and Schumacher will not start in Giro.
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that is interesting
 
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KubaWinter

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Taking into consideration last few years of bigger or smaller doping scandals during Giro is quite obvious. They're afraid of another case simillar to Di Luca's. Even in Poland hiring Rebellin and Schumacher is not very popular. On the same basis RCS forced internal changes in Southeast.

I worte that Vegni said so, but apparently I was mistaken. It was just La Gazzetta editor/journalist who wrote about Rebellin and Schumacher not starting in Giro.
 
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Zinoviev Letter

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Nice set of wild cards for Bora. Other than the Giro and TDU, which they didn't apply for, the only race they've missed out on so far is Paris Nice. Whether they would want to do both PN and TA at the same time anyway isn't clear to me. Generally it looks like they will have a WT season without the expense of a licence or of trips to places they couldn't be bothered with
 
staubsauger

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Rebellin was and will be in all the other RCS races CCC got invited to. It would be very strange if he isn't at the Giro.

With Schumacher it actually could be the truth, but it would be a farce imho. He has taken his lesson like no other, shipping around mainly in low-level races post-ban. Especially compared to a harbor-singer like Basso!

I really hope this is some PR bull****. Schumacher deserves to be there again, has greatly honored the race in the past and may become their sharpest weapon if in top-shape.
 
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pianomagic

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KubaWinter said:
Today's La Gazzetta is commenting the invitation for polish CCC, saying that World Champion is from Poland (...) And CCC's daughter company, Sprandi, will sponsor Strade Bianche.
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Summary: Sprandi = Sponsor Strade Bianche = Wild Card

Other things are not very clear, such as "World champion is from Poland" (????) and where is the latest Giro winner from? (or the 1-2 of the Giro)
 
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I would imagine it is illegal to exclude a rider from a race without a legitimate reason...surely against UCI rules

He is not serving a ban and is not exccluded under any other sanctions
He cannot eb excluded on age alone

I am sure he would have a case against his employers/ASO if he is excluded not on merit
 
Armchair Cyclist

Armchair Cyclist

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inthepink said:
I would imagine it is illegal to exclude a rider from a race without a legitimate reason...surely against UCI rules

He is not serving a ban and is not exccluded under any other sanctions
He cannot eb excluded on age alone

I am sure he would have a case against his employers/ASO if he is excluded not on merit
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It is compulsory for CCC (who have 26 riders according to CQ) to exclude 17 riders from the Giro, most or all of whom will not have any "legitimate reason" to be excluded other than that they are not included. UCI rules (max 9 riders per team in a race) necessitate it.

Team management has the right to make what tactical choices it wishes. Team riders are obliged to race when selected, but not to insist upon selection on threat of legal action. If Carlo Ancelotti decides that Cristiano Ronaldo is not in the team on Sunday, he is not in the team on Sunday.

It would seem odd for them to have already made that decision this far in advance of the Giro; it would seem odd for them not to select the rider most likely to gain publicity for the team's sponsors in the biggest profile race they have in their calendar. But oddity is not actionable.
 
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Jancouver

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UCI canceled the new WT point system for 2015. Back to 2014 points system

No wonder the teams complained ...

"The teams were also angry the UCI had not involved and informed them of the introduction of the new system. "

UCI ... like they ever ask for opinion ...

UCI the ruler of Zamunda

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Libertine Seguros

Libertine Seguros

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staubsauger said:
Rebellin was and will be in all the other RCS races CCC got invited to. It would be very strange if he isn't at the Giro.

With Schumacher it actually could be the truth, but it would be a farce imho. He has taken his lesson like no other, shipping around mainly in low-level races post-ban. Especially compared to a harbor-singer like Basso!

I really hope this is some PR bull****. Schumacher deserves to be there again, has greatly honored the race in the past and may become their sharpest weapon if in top-shape.
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Various "agreements" have been put in force over the years around wildards or even normal invites. Caisse d'Epargne wanted Valverde at the 2009 Tour knowing he'd have to pull out after 2 weeks because of the race going into Italy, but wanted to send him stagehunting; ASO said they'd uninvite them if they brought him because of the ban, so no Valverde. Zomegnan elected not to invite Ceramica Flaminia or CarmioOro in 2010 due to placing "quarantine" on Sella and Riccò. After the di Luca debacle with Farnese a couple of years ago I get the impression that RCS have basically done a couple of deals. Southeast can keep their invite as long as Scinto disappears into the night; CCC can have theirs on the understanding that they keep the disagreeable characters to a minimum. They don't really have any GC threats, but Szmyd (though old) has name value; Samoilau has done OK in the Giro before a couple of times, Bole has a lot of results cached and is a strong stagehunter, Paterski is a good rider, Rutkiewicz in a GT? Never say never. I'd be interested to see what Jan Hirt can do, too.
 
WillemS

WillemS

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Jancouver said:
UCI canceled the new WT point system for 2015. Back to 2014 points system

No wonder the teams complained ...

"The teams were also angry the UCI had not involved and informed them of the introduction of the new system. "

UCI ... like they ever ask for opinion ...
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You may bash the UCI all you want, but I think this instance shows that they're learning. The complaints were justified, as teams do, or thought they would still, depend on the ranking system, so plan their season and fill their team accordingly. It's a great sign that the UCI admitted their ill timing and postponed the change. They've actually listened to the teams, in this instance. (Although, admittedly, probably too late in the process. Keep learning, UCI.)

I don't think the main concerns were for the system itself, although some were, but for the late announcement of it.
 
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Gloin22

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Is anyone surprised? With diets cyclists have to be at, wouldn't himself go a bit after yearrs of **** food :p
 
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AlexanderMG

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WillemS said:
You may bash the UCI all you want, but I think this instance shows that they're learning. The complaints were justified, as teams do, or thought they would still, depend on the ranking system, so plan their season and fill their team accordingly. It's a great sign that the UCI admitted their ill timing and postponed the change. They've actually listened to the teams, in this instance. (Although, admittedly, probably too late in the process. Keep learning, UCI.)

I don't think the main concerns were for the system itself, although some were, but for the late announcement of it.
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Agreed...

I'm not sure that 'learning' is the important part, in my opinion, i think it's encouraging that they are making an authoritative, yet slightly unpopular decision...almost like a real independent governing body...
 
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