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Extremely disappointing route for the usually best one week race of the season:

TTT has no place in a one week race. Should be replaced by the usual 15-20 km ITT
I would replace as well one of the two MTF for a tough mid mountain or hilly stage.
 
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Oh Jeez :(

I don't recall there ever* being a TTT in this race. And then one of 32 km? Come on...

*Ever as in my lifetime.
Apparently the last one was in '92 or something.

They added the gimmick that they take the time of the first rider, so basically riders get individual times? They seem to think this will make a big difference but I suspect it only changes the final few km of the TTT a bit.
 
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Love that there is a TTT, although it should have the length in a one week race - Then again P/N is usually affected by echelons which tears the GC apart.
 
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Apparently the last one was in '92 or something.

They added the gimmick that they take the time of the first rider, so basically riders get individual times? They seem to think this will make a big difference but I suspect it only changes the final few km of the TTT a bit.

Lol, at least that will be a little interesting to see.
 
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WHAT A JOKE

Paris-Nice is generally the best stage race of the season and there was zero need for them to succumb to the gimmick of a mickey-mouse TTT , especially such a long one that ruins the nature of the race. It becomes what Tirreno used to be a few years ago, where the TTT decides everything, like that joke Kwiatkkowski win from 2018.

What races we have had in those mountains above Nice. Now we will have Jumbo Vismas robots sitting on the front .

It's bike racing, not a wind tunnel budget test
 
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The worst part is that this would have been a really good route had the TTT been an ITT. Nice hilly stage to start, early MTF as well, murito stage, and the classic final stage. Now it's likely a free win for Jumbo.
 
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The worst part is that this would have been a really good route had the TTT been an ITT. Nice hilly stage to start, early MTF as well, murito stage, and the classic final stage. Now it's likely a free win for Jumbo.

I don't agree. Such a long TT would create bigger gaps between the best TTers and the worst than a TTT.

Of course that would be more fair but it would also impact the race more.
 
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Where did you see that they take the individual rider times? I can't see it reported anywhere.
It's extrapolated from the fact that the first rider counts. So fastest rider counts for the stage victory ofcourse, while individual times count for GC. Even in regular TTTs if you get dropped you don't get the s.t. as your teammates.
 
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It's extrapolated from the fact that the first rider counts. So fastest rider counts for the stage victory ofcourse, while individual times count for GC. Even in regular TTTs if you get dropped you don't get the s.t. as your teammates.

I just haven't seen it anywhere (not that I don't believe you).
 
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It can't be true that this race does not have a thread!!!

Now, now, now. Let's all be nice to Toby. After all, he was technically right. It wasn't true that the race in question did not have a thread. He'd even posted in the thread!
Which of course made it all the more amusing that he went and created a second thread anyway. :smilingimp:
 
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Now, now, now. Let's all be nice to Toby. After all, he was technically right. It wasn't true that the race in question did not have a thread. He'd even posted in the thread!
Which of course made it all the more amusing that he went and created a second thread anyway. :smilingimp:

I am actually a bit surprised there isn't a thread for the 2023 edition yet. It was created very early last year. I mean we already have the stage profiles and some of the brutto troupes, so it should be easy for someone to make it.
 
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I am actually a bit surprised there isn't a thread for the 2023 edition yet. It was created very early last year. I mean we already have the stage profiles and some of the brutto troupes, so it should be easy for someone to make it.

It goes without saying that you should of course also be nice to me!
 
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No-one going to mention Sonny Colbrelli finding a new career in politics?

Have any other riders gone on to have careers in politics?
 
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No-one going to mention Sonny Colbrelli finding a new career in politics?

Have any other riders gone on to have careers in politics?

Brian Holm. Not that prolific as a rider, though.

And yeah, pretty disappointing that with Colbrelli.