General News Thread

[Netserk]

Your point would be a lot more compelling if recreational hunting wasn't already hugely controversial

Hugely so? Say 20 % of some population would want it outlawed, do you think all activities that had such a numerous opposition should be described as hugely controversial?

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

Your point would be a lot more compelling if recreational hunting wasn't already hugely controversial, and quite likely to be frowned upon by most people tearing Tiberi a new one for what he did

Recreational hunting is controversial in Europe? Wow the US really is different from Europe in terms of that kinda stuff. BTW, there should be more punishment for Tiberi.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Hugely so? Say 20 % of some population would want it outlawed, do you think all activities that had such a numerous opposition should be described as hugely controversial?

I, too, love pulling numbers out of my *** to defend someone murdering a cat.

Fwiw, actual polls consistently show far greater opposition to (recreational) hunting (especially in Europe), whether in the US, in Canada, in France, in the Netherlands, and so on. I would link an Italian poll as well considering it's an Italian rider we're discussing, but I can only find those by hunting or animal rights organisations, which naturally differ wildly.

 

[Nick2413]

I, too, love pulling numbers out of my *** to defend someone murdering a cat.

Fwiw, actual polls consistently show far greater opposition to (recreational) hunting (especially in Europe), whether in the US, in Canada, in France, in the Netherlands, and so on. I would link an Italian poll as well considering it's an Italian rider we're discussing, but I can only find those by hunting or animal rights organisations, which naturally differ wildly.

I’d be really Interested in how people see hunting as worse than animal farming and slaughter, as long as the animals are being eaten. I think the rate of vegetarians/vegans is less than 20% of the population so wouldn’t make sense for a higher percentage than that to oppose hunting, unless people really are hypocrites. I guess I just answered my own question then.

 

[Netserk]

I, too, love pulling numbers out of my *** to defend someone murdering a cat.

Fwiw, actual polls consistently show far greater opposition to (recreational) hunting (especially in Europe), whether in the US, in Canada, in France, in the Netherlands, and so on. I would link an Italian poll as well considering it's an Italian rider we're discussing, but I can only find those by hunting or animal rights organisations, which naturally differ wildly.

Your first links says 26 % affirms "Do you think hunting animals for sport is wrong and should be prohibited by law". I can think of many activities where an equal portion of the population would want it outlawed, yet few here would describe that as hugely controversial.

And I clearly phrased the 20 % as merely representing whatever plausible number. My question wouldn't have been different if I wrote 26 %.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

I’d be really Interested in how people see hunting as worse than animal farming and slaughter, as long as the animals are being eaten. I think the rate of vegetarians/vegans is less than 20% of the population so wouldn’t make sense for a higher percentage than that to oppose hunting, unless people really are hypocrites. I guess I just answered my own question then.

Veering very far away from cycling here, but the Canadian poll I linked has 14% for and 81% against hunting for sport, 62% for and 32% against hunting for meat, and 72% for and 22% against the consumption of meat. And fwiw there are issues with hunting, even for meat, that don't apply to the wider meat industry, mainly the fact that people - including non-hunters - can be accidentally killed by hunters.

Your first links says 26 % affirms "Do you think hunting animals for sport is wrong and should be prohibited by law". I can think of many activities where an equal portion of the population would want it outlawed, yet few here would describe that as hugely controversial.

...and a further 33% disapprove of hunting but also disapprove of a ban, but apparently that combination of views doesn't count towards the controversiality of the issue?

 

[Netserk]

...and a further 33% disapprove of hunting but also disapprove of a ban, but apparently that combination of views doesn't count towards the controversiality of the issue?

And what did the 20 % in my original post refer to?

And leaving the specific number aside, is it generally so that such a number should always result in activities to be described as hugely controversial?

 

[Devil's Elbow]

And what did the 20 % in my original post refer to?

You're missing the point rather spectacularly here.

 

[hrotha]

You're focusing on the least important bit, presumably because you feel like arguing over nothing. Whether or not it can be described as "hugely controversial" in your book, it is controversial, and there's no hypocrisy involved when the imaginary people you're calling out for not being against recreational hunting are more likely than not also against recreational hunting.

 

[Netserk]

You're missing the point rather spectacularly here.

I think using measures of "opposing" in a question of outlawing is a far more spectacular miss. I meant what I wrote, so it'd be fruitful if you stuck with the actual meaning of my post.

 

[Nick2413]

Can we make peace so we don’t all get banned before all the big upcoming races next week?

 

[Netserk]

You're focusing on the least important bit, presumably because you feel like arguing over nothing. Whether or not it can be described as "hugely controversial" in your book, it is controversial, and there's no hypocrisy involved when the imaginary people you're calling out for not being against recreational hunting are more likely than not also against recreational hunting.

I didn't accuse anyone of hypocrisy, nor did I call anyone out. I probed @search's views.

you need to be a proper *** to shoot any kind of animal for fun

Is hunting game not for fun?

It wasn't obvious to me that hunting game would deem one as a proper ***.

 

[Netserk]

I would gladly accept that eating foie gras is controversial, even if it really is tasty.

 

[firefly3323]

Tiberi shot the cat in the skull from close range to test his air-rifle, and killed it. It's a disgusting behaviour and is not that of a mentally sound person.

It's bizarre that you are even trying to debate this. You must have not a lot going on this morning

"Another study showed that individuals who abused animals were 500 percent more likely to be arrested for a violent crime and 300 percent more likely to commit crimes related to drugs when compared to individuals who lived in the same area and who were the same age and gender."


https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/a...ate-the-potential-to-commit-other-crimes-8011


Just a few from the long list......

Ted Bundy,

Richard Chase,

Carroll Edward Cole (linked with 35 murders and executed for 5),

Jeffrey Dahmer (who killed and cannibalized his victims),

Albert DeSalvo (the Boston Strangler who killed 13 women),

Dennis Rader,

Gary Ridgeway

 

[Netserk]

"Another study showed that individuals who abused animals were 500 percent more likely to be arrested for a violent crime and 300 percent more likely to commit crimes related to drugs when compared to individuals who lived in the same area and who were the same age and gender."

It's unsurprising that an act of violence is an indicator for other acts of violence, but surely it matters more to what degree it's causal.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Tiberi suspended by the team for 20 days.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1630589106336985089

 

[King Of The Wolds]

Never liked cats.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

Never liked cats.

So you encourage killing them?

 

[theyoungest]

Recreational hunting is controversial in Europe? Wow the US really is different from Europe in terms of that kinda stuff. BTW, there should be more punishment for Tiberi.

Americans like guns, Europeans don't (except for Antonio Tiberi).

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

Americans like guns, Europeans don't (except for Antonio Tiberi).

I know that but I still would think some people would like to hunt game. I personally don’t, but many of my friends like to hunt so I was just curious.

 

[SafeBet]

Tiberi also released a statement on his social media accounts.

 

[King Of The Wolds]

So you encourage killing them?

No, of course not. It was a flippant remark.

 

[theyoungest]

I know that but I still would think some people would like to hunt game. I personally don’t, but many of my friends like to hunt so I was just curious.

As a European the distance to a gun is just way bigger than as an American. I don't know anyone who has a gun. So taking up shooting as a hobby is not that obvious over here.

 

[Sciatic]

Americans like guns, Europeans don't (except for Antonio Tiberi).

Another difference is that recreational hunting is part the wildlife ecosystem in the U. S. — in that if you banned recreational hunting we would have to find other means of culling deer and elk populations, whether by shooting or sterilization. There will never be enough mountain lions or wolves to control those populations.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Another difference is that recreational hunting is part the wildlife ecosystem in the U. S. — in that if you banned recreational hunting we would have to find other means of culling deer and elk populations, whether by shooting or sterilization. There will never be enough mountain lions or wolves to control those populations.

It's similar around here in rural areas, the overall distain for hunting is more of an urban thing. Overall I can understand why people have a problem with trophy hunting, mainly with people travelling all around the world to shoot exotic game. But there's also people who cover a lot of their meat intake by hunting and don't want to have a lot to do with the meat industry. You really can't compare that one to a scumbag shooting cats because he was bored and then saying he didn't mean to kill it, he just wanted to hurt/torture the animal.