Geraint Thomas, the next british hope

[MartinGT]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCxp2a7hw-0

2'30ish in Matthews speaking with Thomas on what a great ride he had.

#omerta they all know.

 

[The Hitch]

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I'm saying 75% of Tour de France winners have been exposed for winning it through doping in 10 years on average.

Which is false. A) riis and lance were exposed after 10 years. B) landis, ullrich, Pantani and contador represent less than 10% of all tdf winners, definitely not 75%.

It's based on Tour de France wins between 1986 (LeMond being beginning of a more modern era of EPO abuse) and 2010 (Team Sky launched). Of those winners over 24 years, 75% of the wins have been from a rider exposed for doping. Sure, maybe not in Tour de France, but their career surrounding the win, so we assume doping. i.e. you assume Pantani doped for Tour de France even though not exposed during it. I think that is what OP was using to calculate 25% never get exposed, hence 75% over 24 years have been.

So you arbitraroly chose a totally random period - 1986-2010, and you extrapolate conclusions from that period onto another period - 2010- now?

That makes no sense.

 

[Cycle Chic]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCxp2a7hw-0

2'30ish in Matthews speaking with Thomas on what a great ride he had.

seemed to me that that conversation was sarcasm...NOT Omerta. Matthews was having a dig..

'how do you feel about that ride yesterday ? '

Geraint double takes him - then laughs..and replies very smarmy and cocky and changes the topic.

Matthews again rubs it in 'This is Superman of yesterday, pretty much annihilated the whole peloton'

Geraint then reminds him that his countryman Richie helped him out a bit.

 

[blackcat]

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It's more that people believe your statistics to be naïvely over-optimistic based on a few things.

1) counting each Tour individually, so Armstrong being counted amounts to 7 busts.
2) the large number of other riders known to have slipped the net.
3) that a few of the riders mentioned are only tipped off because they confessed, and your 10-year timeframe is too restrictive because Riis and Armstrong were outside of it, notwithstanding that you treat BC's history in track cycling as the same as a 10-year timeframe in road cycling, with much more exposure, much more money, a much deeper field and much more doping cases.
4) that only Landis' positive was intentional, as the UCI attempted to suppress Contador's and successfully suppressed Armstrong's. Pereiro got a rushed TUE, which makes him no different to Froome.
5) in the eyes of the general public Indurain is clean despite a borderline confession. Ditto Cunego if we include other races. Including marginal cases like Indurain affects the outcome of the data quite considerably, especially when you count each Tour individually as you have done.
6) the wilfully restricted dataset (Tour de France winners only) reduces the value of the conclusions drawn from them. Add in other podium riders at the Tour, other GTs and races and the number of suspected dopers who have not faced any sanction increases greatly. I mean, Rominger? Jaskuła? Escartín? Andy Schleck?
7) Pierre Bordry is not working for AFLD anymore.
8) We aren't dealing with Lance Armstrong, and the past has given us lessons to learn from. The likelihood of the kind of massive scale team-wide doping of the 90s and early 00s is small; smaller, more tightly controlled pockets are seemingly the order of the day, laut CIRC. Easier to circle those wagons.
9) Sky are tied to a media empire that will enable them to control the story in the public eye the majority of the time and will make it easier to suppress any bad news.

great post
10) enforcement model is fundamentally skewed to leeway for the false negatives, not the false positives.

 

[Irondan]

"I'm alright, I'm a bit shaken up but fine. I've had a lot worse," Thomas said to Eurosport later. "It's frustrating, I tried so hard to get over the climb, I don't know why some guys just sit where you are on the descent. What's the difference between fifth and third. Just get down the descent. Everyone knows it's a tough descent."

Uhmm, the podium.

Lot's of others think a podium in The Tour is pretty special.

Not everyone can be the Geraint Thomas, the next british hope...

 

[hrotha]

He's talking about the position in the group during the descent.

 

[The Hitch]

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"I'm alright, I'm a bit shaken up but fine. I've had a lot worse," Thomas said to Eurosport later. "It's frustrating, I tried so hard to get over the climb, I don't know why some guys just sit where you are on the descent. What's the difference between fifth and third. Just get down the descent. Everyone knows it's a tough descent."

Uhmm, the podium.

Lot's of others think a podium in The Tour is pretty special.

Not everyone can be the Geraint Thomas, the next british hope...

He means whats the difference between 5th and 3rd in a group when you are in a line on the descent.

 

[wendybnt]

Quite. Besides, Barguil is 6.5 minutes off the podium. Crap descending from Barguil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqhTpmsBARw

 

[bikinggirl]

He don`t even feel the pain when on drugs!!

 

[naviman]

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He don`t even feel the pain when on drugs!!

 

[Irondan]

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"I'm alright, I'm a bit shaken up but fine. I've had a lot worse," Thomas said to Eurosport later. "It's frustrating, I tried so hard to get over the climb, I don't know why some guys just sit where you are on the descent. What's the difference between fifth and third. Just get down the descent. Everyone knows it's a tough descent."

Uhmm, the podium.

Lot's of others think a podium in The Tour is pretty special.

Not everyone can be the Geraint Thomas, the next british hope...

He means whats the difference between 5th and 3rd in a group when you are in a line on the descent.

Thanks Hitch, I quickly scanned the article and obviously took the quote out of context. My bad.

 

[armchairclimber]

Yep, crashes, gives a telegraph pole a Cardiff Kiss, falls down a ravine....and yet is back riding in well under a minute. Evidence of doping right there.

 

[zalacain]

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Yep, crashes, gives a telegraph pole a Cardiff Kiss, falls down a ravine....and yet is back riding in well under a minute. Evidence of doping right there.

Not at all. He's been practicing falling off for a long time.

 

[dwyatt]

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Yep, crashes, gives a telegraph pole a Cardiff Kiss, falls down a ravine....and yet is back riding in well under a minute. Evidence of doping right there.

Is it possible he's actually a T-1000? Or made of Adamantium? I think the sky secrets are slowly slipping out.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Two years ago rides around France with a fractured pelvis, today face-plants a telegraph pole, no fault of his own, loses forty seconds.

Must be the tramadol. Or some next-gen genetic pain-killers no-one else has.

 

[markene2]

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Two years ago rides around France with a fractured pelvis, today face-plants a telegraph pole, no fault of his own, loses forty seconds.

Must be the tramadol. Or some next-gen genetic pain-killers no-one else has.

I felt like Superman when i was using Tramadol in regards to pain, a truck could probably hit me full speed and i would laugh it off.

 

[dwyatt]

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Two years ago rides around France with a fractured pelvis, today face-plants a telegraph pole, no fault of his own, loses forty seconds.

Must be the tramadol. Or some next-gen genetic pain-killers no-one else has.

I felt like Superman when i was using Tramadol in regards to pain, a truck could probably hit me full speed and i would laugh it off.

Were you cycling on Tramadol or just using it generally? If you were cycling on it, how much did it help?

 

[jalep]

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Two years ago rides around France with a fractured pelvis, today face-plants a telegraph pole, no fault of his own, loses forty seconds.

Must be the tramadol. Or some next-gen genetic pain-killers no-one else has.

This. my guess.

Watching the stage now. Skipped right up to the incident. Geraint Thomas knocked into a telephone pole like a billiards ball into the pocket. He turned his body at the last millisecond and that saved his face. But he'll have a sore neck. That was nasty.

That's pretty amazing hahaha. I've liked him since 2011. He slid off the road that TdF on a descent and was a wobbly descending I thought back then. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFWt_MKViKs
Not a problem now. Tough man that G.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Anyone can be that tough with all those drugs though. Like a robot they fire him up at the start of each stage then bring him down at the end. Only then will he actually feel it.

 

[42x16ss]

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Yep, crashes, gives a telegraph pole a Cardiff Kiss, falls down a ravine....and yet is back riding in well under a minute. Evidence of doping right there.

Not at all. He's been practicing falling off for a long time.

I remember Thomas crashing into a traffic island at Paris Roubaix a few years ago, he was sitting towards the back, obviously zoned out, then BAM!

Noone was around him that time just a stupid crash

 

[jalep]

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Anyone can be that tough with all those drugs though. Like a robot they fire him up at the start of each stage then bring him down at the end. Only then will he actually feel it.

Yup. That's how it works.

 

[JimmyFingers]

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Yep, crashes, gives a telegraph pole a Cardiff Kiss, falls down a ravine....and yet is back riding in well under a minute. Evidence of doping right there.

Not at all. He's been practicing falling off for a long time.

I remember Thomas crashing into a traffic island at Paris Roubaix a few years ago, he was sitting towards the back, obviously zoned out, then BAM!

Noone was around him that time just a stupid crash

Haha yeah what a dope

 

[jalep]

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I remember Thomas crashing into a traffic island at Paris Roubaix a few years ago, he was sitting towards the back, obviously zoned out, then BAM!

Noone was around him that time just a stupid crash

Link?

Or, what year...I'll look it up

 

[jalep]

Found the Paris-Rouxbaix crash.

This too. pretty explicit what he aims to do = heir to the TdF throne next year and maybe the Olympics too? Like Wiggins.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/wales/26530168 .

 

[dottigirl]

Two years ago rides around France with a fractured pelvis, today face-plants a telegraph pole, no fault of his own, loses forty seconds.

Must be the tramadol. Or some next-gen genetic pain-killers no-one else has.

I felt like Superman when i was using Tramadol in regards to pain, a truck could probably hit me full speed and i would laugh it off.

Were you cycling on Tramadol or just using it generally? If you were cycling on it, how much did it help?

Tramadol didn't work for me, just gave me constipation. I'd never have cycled on it, my reflexes were *** and my thought processes like mud. I've just chucked away my stash. It doesn't work on a lot of people - I'd say IME only about a third.

Dihydrocodeine (dhc) - the stuff which works for me and what I take regularly - I wouldn't cycle on either. Lapse in concentration and you're hitting the kerb. Even one 30mg dose per day hardens up number twos too.
Morphine seems a good idea but again, constipation and mental slowness are a hindrance.

IME (my own and meeting many, many people on this stuff), GT is on none of the above. He's too sharp in interviews.

Not entirely sure why painkillers would be needed to get him back on his bike,wouldn't adrenalin be enough? Look at what others have managed this tour, were they all on something too?