Giro 2012: Route Rumours / Our wishes

[Eshnar]

I'd be hesitant to use the Galibier because of the issues with snow similar to what you get on the Gavia and the Stelvio.

true. I didn't think of that

 

[Peccio89]

Another good option about Alpe would be this stage

Moncenisio, Telegraphe/Galibier, Alpe. Starting from Turin it's 229 kms long.

I heard that they don't want to risk the Galibier in May, however they still can do the Moncenisio and than the Croix de Fer from Saint Jean de Maurienne.
I think that this one would be the best stage given the fact that going from Briancon to the start of the Alpe through the Lautaret will eliminate any will to attack on the Agnello/Izoard or Sestriere/Monginevro.

By the way my first post, hi to everybody.

 

[Eshnar]

Alpe through the Lautaret will eliminate any will to attack on the Agnello/Izoard or Sestriere/Monginevro.

This is what I fear indeed

By the way my first post, hi to everybody.

Hi

 

[XlandaluzeX]

perso, i d like to see a running-with-the-bulls stage

in Zomegnan we trust

 

[El Pistolero]

perso, i d like to see a running-with-the-bulls stage

in Zomegnan we trust

Give the Vuelta something to do as well, Zomegnan musn't be greedy now.

 

[Eshnar]

yesterday I heard a rumour about an MTF on the Nivolet.
Dunno if it's reliable (the Nivolet is been rumoured every damn year) but I'll post it anyway.
This is the profile

The big issue about this (never used but pretty famous) climb is that it's not properly linkable with any other climb...

 

[Havetts]

So? 37 kilometers uphill! Thats sick!

 

[Eshnar]

So? 37 kilometers uphill! Thats sick!

I'd love to have an HC as a warm up before it. This way's too easy

 

[Ferminal]

yesterday I heard a rumour about an MTF on the Nivolet.
Dunno if it's reliable (the Nivolet is been rumoured every damn year) but I'll post it anyway.
This is the profile
The big issue about this (unedited but pretty famous) climb is that it's not properly linkable with any other climb...

Where is it located?

The final 13km would hurt!

 

[Eshnar]

Where is it located?

The final 13km would hurt!

http://maps.google.it/?ie=UTF8&ll=45.483244,7.145233&spn=0.256595,0.441513&t=h&z=11

 

[Ferminal]

http://maps.google.it/?ie=UTF8&ll=45.483244,7.145233&spn=0.256595,0.441513&t=h&z=11

Ah, right on the border.

Maybe the Tour could use it if the Giro doesn't

 

[Eshnar]

Ah, right on the border.

Maybe the Tour could use it if the Giro doesn't

No, it's near the border but it's not reachable from France, the only way up starts from east.

 

[Skip Madness]

The women's Giro is going up there this year but only as far as Ceresole Reale, about halfway up and before the much steeper stuff. I thought I once read something about there being a lack of space at the top, maybe that's wrong though.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

The women's Giro is going up there this year but only as far as Ceresole Reale, about halfway up and before the much steeper stuff. I thought I once read something about there being a lack of space at the top, maybe that's wrong though.

Nah, you're mistaken. The péloton only have to go as far as Ceresole Reale, but Abbott and Pooley have to go all the way to the top, to give somebody else a chance of competing in the GC

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I'd love to have an HC as a warm up before it. This way's too easy

You could always climb from Cuorgné to Alpette - that is approx 9,2km @ 5,6% and crests just 12km from Locana.

It's not the biggest climb, but I don't see any complaints about Sella Valcalda preceding Zoncolán or Tenebredo preceding Angliru.

To tell the truth, the climb could function as a genuine HC all of its own, it doesn't need any other climbs in the stage, even if that's not usually the Giro's way.

 

[Skip Madness]

The big issue about this (unedited but pretty famous) climb is that it's not properly linkable with any other climb...

Just so you know, the word "unedited" doesn't quite translate there. In English you'd normally say "unused", "untested" or "unknown in racing" or something like that.

 

[Peccio89]

I think that it is more probable that they do the Nivolet than the Rifugio Calvanico. They could do that the day before the Alpe D'Huez

 

[profff]

i have done nivolet many times
it is very long and hard, like the agnello.
you have to climb many km over 2000m, where the oxygen is lacking,,,
it can be only a mountain top finish, the road finishes up there and there is enough space for the arrival.
trouble will be : there is a tunnel, quite long going uphill and there is no way to come down from the top until everybody has arrived because there is only one road .
the scenario is wondeful, in front of gran paradiso.
really high mountain environnement, definitely in the category of the best alpine climbs, with galibier, agnello, bonette, finestre, fauniera....

really a beautiful climb, one of the best i have done .
i suggest everybodt a trip tp go there and try it, but i do not know if it is the right place for a giro stage for logistic reason.

it is difficult to enchain other climbs, but it is close to turin and in the following days there is plenty of hard climbs in the northwestern alps....

if you stop in ceresole reale it is not worthy the detour, it is like going to rome without seeing the pope.

 

[Pilgaard]

yesterday I heard a rumour about an MTF on the Nivolet.
Dunno if it's reliable (the Nivolet is been rumoured every damn year) but I'll post it anyway.
This is the profile

The big issue about this (unedited but pretty famous) climb is that it's not properly linkable with any other climb...

Could be interesting as an ITT. Zomegnan obviously enjoys having an mountain ITT on the menu every year, and it would be a change to have a long ascent without too steep pitches. It reminds me somewhat of the mountain ITT in the Vuelta 2004 (stage 15 to Sierra Nevada).
An ITT also solves the problem (though I don't know the geography around the climb, so I'm relying on the comments from others) of a lack of mountains beforehand.

 

[Eshnar]

Just so you know, the word "unedited" doesn't quite translate there. In English you'd normally say "unused", "untested" or "unknown in racing" or something like that.

sorry I was sure it was right
I'll edit...

 

[valentius borealis]

I was looking at the Nivolet on Google Earth a few days ago, due to my Italian road atlas having a road marked from the north (which may or may not have existed in the past). I'd love to see a MTF there.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

I was looking at the Nivolet on Google Earth a few days ago, due to my Italian road atlas having a road marked from the north (which may or may not have existed in the past). I'd love to see a MTF there.

It still exists, but a large chunk of it is unpaved and closed for motorized traffic.

It's possible by mountain bike.

 

[Eshnar]

Could be interesting as an ITT. Zomegnan obviously enjoys having an mountain ITT on the menu every year, and it would be a change to have a long ascent without too steep pitches.

An ITT on that would make too huge gaps imho.
37 km is too long for a MTT. There would be easily 2-3 minutes between the 1st and the 2nd

 

[Pilgaard]

An ITT on that would make too huge gaps imho.
37 km is too long for a MTT. There would be easily 2-3 minutes between the 1st and the 2nd

I just checked the results from the Sierra Nevada ITT in the Vuelta 2004 (as I referred to in my previous post, being comparable). You are spot on regarding the time differences. That stage ended with three minutes between nr 1 and nr 4 which is too huge a gap, especially with the general emphasis on climbing rather than time trialling in the Giro.
Then it should be off-set by a long, flat ITT, but this would ensure too much was decided by ITTs which I find less interesting than the normal stages.

So to summarize, if it should be included is should be as a road stage, not as an ITT

 

[craig1985]

Would they use the whole 37km?