Giro 2013 rumours

[Descender]

i like 150k stages policy. it can provoke earlier action plus anyhow combines with anti-doping course. rather this stage is tribute to famous pantani's escape. the stage is great, not because schleck won galibier, just the finish climb is really tough and such a stage is perfectly preceeded by harder stages in the third week, what don't you like?

what's the use of 220k stages if they give the same results as 150km ones? Do you watch stages entirely or think that number of km's can affect on result drastically?

Sometimes I don't know if you're trolling or you're just that thick...

 

[airstream]

Sometimes I don't know if you're trolling or you're just that thick...

i'm serious. rather our considerations about proper and balanced parcours differ a lot. exactly what are you disagree with? isn't 16km;7% a difficult climb?

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

And I wonder, if the purpose of the Galibier stage was to honour Pantani and his epic 98 stage win, why not do like then and finish on Les Deux Alps after the Galibier???

Right. I think it's rather cheap to pretend that the purpose was to honor Pantani, when in fact, the idea was to finish on a "legendary" TDF climb, for marketing reasons alone. Only Alpe d'Huez (the preferred choice) and Galibier were considered AFAIK

 

[airstream]

Right. I think it's rather cheap to pretend that the purpose was to honor Pantani, when in fact, the idea was to finish on a "legendary" TDF climb, for marketing reasons alone. Only Alpe d'Huez (the preferred choice) and Galibier were considered AFAIK

cmon, we understand the idea pretty clearly even without his words. naturally, they could use only legendry climb. going to france for finish on non-legendary one would be a mockery.

 

[Mellow Velo]

My guess is a watered down course in an attempt to attract big names will end in a watered down course.

 

[Red Rick]

My guess is a watered down course in an attempt to attract big names will end in a watered down course.

I guess we'll have to wait until the full route is presented, but i got a feeling this won't be a standard giro route

 

[Pippo_San]

i like 150k stages policy. it can provoke earlier action plus anyhow combines with anti-doping course. rather this stage is tribute to famous pantani's escape. the stage is great, not because schleck won galibier, just the finish climb is really tough and such a stage is perfectly preceeded by harder stages in the third week, what don't you like?

if you're trying to implicitly say Little Andy should do the Giro, well you're damn right.

 

[Eshnar]

My guess is a watered down course in an attempt to attract big names will end in a watered down course.

this. (10c.)

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

i'm serious. rather our considerations about proper and balanced parcours differ a lot. exactly what are you disagree with? isn't 16km;7% a difficult climb?

I don't mind short mountain stages, as they suit the more explosive climbers better. It's a different style of racing. I like them both, but I fear the Giro will ONLY have short-ish mountain stages, so as not to make it too hard for those who want to do the Giro - Tour double. Everything points to a watered-down route.

The route will be balanced, though, but it's still a Grand Tour, so they can't make the route too soft, or it will become a joke like the Vuelta already is.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

So I guess the two hardest mountain stages will only feature these major climbs:

- Mortirolo, Gavia
- Moncenisio, Telegraphe - Galibier

Right?

 

[airstream]

I don't mind short mountain stages, as they suit the more explosive climbers better. It's a different style of racing. I like them both, but I fear the Giro will ONLY have short-ish mountain stages, so as not to make it too hard for those who want to do the Giro - Tour double. Everything points to a watered-down route.

The route will be balanced, though, but it's still a Grand Tour, so they can't make the route too soft, or it will become a joke like the Vuelta already is.

it's a compelled sacrifice in the year of 100th tour, othewise no one will go there barring basso and scarponi. by the way stort stages are contraindicated for them. though, i don't consider this route to be soft. the 2007 vuelta or this year's tour were soft.

So I guess the two hardest mountain stages will only feature these major climbs:

- Mortirolo, Gavia
- Moncenisio, Telegraphe - Galibier

Right?

the stage before the Gavia must be multi- mountain as well, imo. no?

 

[Eshnar]

The route will be balanced, though,

I do hope it is, but... what do you mean by balanced? balance between what?
I fear Acquarone has a different meaning for balanced.

 

[Red Rick]

I do hope it is, but... what do you mean by balanced? balance between what?
I fear Acquarone has a different meaning for balanced.

Yeah, if fear that too, but why don't we make a petition to bring Zomegnan back

 

[Eshnar]

Yeah, if fear that too, but why don't we make a petition to bring Zomegnan back

Zome has gone away by his decision and had his good reason for doing it. It is not necessarily a tragedy, he did his own mistakes too. The problem now is not the guy who's in charge, but the media pressure who makes him think that this will be the right track. He knows nothing of cycling, by his admission.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

I do hope it is, but... what do you mean by balanced? balance between what?
I fear Acquarone has a different meaning for balanced.

Yeah, he means a lighter route. I hope there will be more decent hilly stages, though. This year there were basically none. The stage Rubiano won was okay, though.

the stage before the Gavia must be multi- mountain as well, imo. no?

Not sure. We've had Mottarone - Macugnaga as the penultimate "mountain" stage before, so...

 

[Eshnar]

Oh, I just noticed Galibier is not Cima Coppi.
The Gavia is lower, how many climbs higher than Galibier are left?


Stelvio I'd bet on it.
Before Val Senales *facepalm*

 

[burning]

Oh, I just noticed Galibier is not Cima Coppi.
The Gavia is lower, how many climbs higher than Galibier are left?


Stelvio I'd bet on it.
Before Val Senales *facepalm*

Agnel maybe?

 

[Eshnar]

Agnel maybe?

I highly doubt it. In order to climb it they should do a pointless loop the day after Galibier.

 

[burning]

I highly doubt it. In order to climb it they should do a pointless loop the day after Galibier.

Maybe they would do a reverse of Tour 2011 stage , it is a completely nonsense though

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Oh, I just noticed Galibier is not Cima Coppi.
The Gavia is lower, how many climbs higher than Galibier are left?


Stelvio I'd bet on it.
Before Val Senales *facepalm*

Say it isn't so.

it's a compelled sacrifice in the year of 100th tour, othewise no one will go there barring basso and scarponi. by the way stort stages are contraindicated for them. though, i don't consider this route to be soft. the 2007 vuelta or this year's tour were soft.


the stage before the Gavia must be multi- mountain as well, imo. no?

I think Nibali and Purito will also start, regardless. Purito wants to win a GT and will probably skip the Tour again for this reason.

 

[airstream]

iirc, unlike aso, rcs are quite strict in terms of cima coppi exactly as the highest point of the race, so imo galibier will be. they just have no eventual profiles so far.

I think Nibali and Purito will also start, regardless. Purito wants to win a GT and will probably skip the Tour again for this reason.

very likely, though there was a rumor that katusha will do their best to talk into purito to do the tour. evans can simply start i guess.

 

[OlavEH]

Oh, I just noticed Galibier is not Cima Coppi.
The Gavia is lower, how many climbs higher than Galibier are left?


Stelvio I'd bet on it.
Before Val Senales *facepalm*

Is there really any good way to use Stelvio except as a MTF?

 

[Eshnar]

it's a compelled sacrifice in the year of 100th tour, othewise no one will go there barring basso and scarponi. by the way stort stages are contraindicated for them. though, i don't consider this route to be soft. the 2007 vuelta or this year's tour were soft.

No matter how soft this will be, who wants to win the Tour will not be in shape in May. There is no way the Giro will work as a preparation for the Tour. AC 2011 and Froome 2012 already made that clear. You can't win 2 GTs in a row.

 

[Eshnar]

Is there really any good way to use Stelvio except as a MTF?

Ofc yes. Any descent finish on both sides would be awesome.
If it has to be a MTF, then the perfect option is Bormio 2000.

 

[Eshnar]

iirc, unlike aso, rcs are quite strict in terms of cima coppi exactly as the highest point of the race, so imo galibier will be. they just have no eventual profiles so far. on the other hand.


very likely, though there was a rumor that katusha will do their best to talk into purito to do the tour. evans can simply start i guess.

The profile they showed marked it clearly as normal climb. Last year when they show the Stelvio stage, it was already labelled as Cima Coppi as far as I recall.