Giro 2013 rumours

[OlavEH]

Can't say that I like the rumours so far. Galibier is a great mountain, but I prefer that they stay inside Italy most of the time.

There aren't any stages in the central Dolomites around Fedaia, Giau, etc. I really liked they stages to Tre Cime Lavaredo in 2007 and Gardneccia in 2011 and would have liked to see a similar stage next year. 220-230 km in the Dolomites with mountains the entire day.

On the other hand I don't mind Zoncolan being left out. That climb is almost too steep and tough.

 

[OlavEH]

Ofc yes. Any descent finish on both sides would be awesome.
If it has to be a MTF, then the perfect option is Bormio 2000.

Okay, agree on Bormio 2000.

I would have liked a Gavia/Stelvio double with a finish at Solda. That could have been interesting.

 

[Eshnar]

Okay, agree on Bormio 2000.

I would have liked a Gavia/Stelvio double with a finish at Solda. That could have been interesting.

Yes, that'd be good too.

 

[thestickybidon]

Pause this promo video at 51/52 seconds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkkW-c7nXgk&feature=youtu.be

Its clear that there are climbs on stages 14,15, 17, 19, 20.

Anyone recognise the profiles or wanna take a guess?

 

[Eshnar]

Pause this promo video at 51/52 seconds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkkW-c7nXgk&feature=youtu.be

Its clear that there are climbs on stages 14,15, 17, 19, 20.

Anyone recognise the profiles or wanna take a guess?

For a moment my heart missed a beat.
Then I realised it's last year's route

 

[thestickybidon]

Pause this promo video at 51/52 seconds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkkW-c7nXgk&feature=youtu.be

Its clear that there are climbs on stages 14,15, 17, 19, 20.

Anyone recognise the profiles or wanna take a guess?

at 2 seconds it has a climb of 2757m shown.... conveniently that equals the height of the Stelvio..........

 

[thestickybidon]

For a moment my heart missed a beat.
Then I realised it's last year's route

oh... damn.... weird that they pull the Galibier stage out of its position though... was thinking id turned into the kid from Mercury Rising and cracked the code!

 

[Eshnar]

was thinking id turned into the kid from mercury rising and cracked the code!

........

 

[Descender]

cmon, we understand the idea pretty clearly even without his words. naturally, they could use only legendry climb. going to france for finish on non-legendary one would be a mockery.

A mockery? Your irrational concept that in order for a climb to be important and crucial it has to be the MTF is reaching new heights. Was this stage a mockery?

It wasn't. And if that stage was so epic was precisely because the finish was not at the top of the Galibier.

 

[Eshnar]

It wasn't. And if that stage was so epic was precisely because the finish was not at the top of the Galibier.

+100000000

I told Acquarone that I don't like that stage. Even Phinney entered the discussion He (phinney) doesn't agree with me I'm afraid. He did ask for a TT more though. And Acquarone answered to just wait and see.

 

[airstream]

A mockery? Your irrational concept that in order for a climb to be important and crucial it has to be the MTF is reaching new heights. Was this stage a mockery?

It wasn't. And if that stage was so epic was precisely because the finish was not at the top of the Galibier.

i'm saying not about height. but their goal is to finish at the most famous possible french climb. it's not les deux alpes so i understand aquarone. rcs has no goal to poke in the stage as many hard climbs as possible. in my view, when tour stage finishes on prato nevoso, tour can afford this, because the tour is adored, welcomed and famous all over the world. but the giro can't afford to finish on by and large a rank-and-file (in terms of contribution into world cycling) climb as les deux alpes. so giro organizers chose between alpe-d'huez and galibier. probably, they couldn't reach an agreement with alpe for financial reasons, so we have galibier. here it is

 

[Descender]

It seems to me you're still not getting the point.

I see no need to finish on top of a climb to honour it. In fact, to me, honouring the Galibier was 1998. That was really honouring that mythical climb.

 

[airstream]

It seems to me you're still not getting the point.

I see no need to finish on top of a climb to honour it. In fact, to me, honouring the Galibier was 1998. That was really honouring that mythical climb.

no i understood what you said and i see, but that's that. marketing is often more important, for organizers surely, not for fans. or you think that inclusion of galibier doesn't honour pantani's raid?

 

[icefire]

Oh, I just noticed Galibier is not Cima Coppi.
The Gavia is lower, how many climbs higher than Galibier are left?


Stelvio I'd bet on it.
Before Val Senales *facepalm*

Agnello?

 

[Eshnar]

Agnello?

you came too late

 

[airstream]

сmon lets hope rcs hit one more stage with finish on agnel instead of '???' in Eshnar's reports! really magical climb: long 10% sections at 2000+m altitude and feeling of full estrangement from civilization that doesn't work looking at gavia, galibier or stelvio. italian climb was used more often in the tour than in the giro, its high time to eliminate this embarrassing mistake

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Galibier MTF *vomit*

What's the point? Just because they can? Horrible, absolutely horrible.

You know what would have been better? Briançon. You can honour some major Tour climbs, and have that awesome Citadel finish. You know what would have been better? Finishing on the Col de la Madeleine. Now there's an iconic Tour climb that, unlike almost every other iconic Tour climb except Ventoux, isn't overused. That would give you an awesome Tour MTF, plus way lower altitude so less likely to be weather affected.

 

[The Hitch]

No matter how soft this will be, who wants to win the Tour will not be in shape in May. There is no way the Giro will work as a preparation for the Tour. AC 2011 and Froome 2012 already made that clear. You can't win 2 GTs in a row.

it might make Nibali consider doing the Tour after the Giro, but wont make anyone doing the Tour consider the Giro.

even worse, they could alienate purito.

 

[airstream]

Galibier MTF *vomit*

What's the point? Just because they can? Horrible, absolutely horrible.

You know what would have been better? Briançon. You can honour some major Tour climbs, and have that awesome Citadel finish. You know what would have been better? Finishing on the Col de la Madeleine. Now there's an iconic Tour climb that, unlike almost every other iconic Tour climb except Ventoux, isn't overused. That would give you an awesome Tour MTF, plus way lower altitude so less likely to be weather affected.

they finished in citadel two times. geography should be widen. madeleine is a great idea. but frenchies would refuse i think because the climb never was finishing in the tour

 

[The Hitch]

+100000000

I told Acquarone that I don't like that stage. Even Phinney entered the discussion He (phinney) doesn't agree with me I'm afraid. He did ask for a TT more though. And Acquarone answered to just wait and see.

lol what. you talked to Aquarone and Phinney?

And phinney is doing the Giro next year? Good on him if he is.

 

[luckyboy]

Daniel Freibe just tweeted that he had it on good authority a few months ago Passo Pura near Zoncolan will be used.

 

[Eshnar]

lol what. you talked to Aquarone and Phinney?

And phinney is doing the Giro next year? Good on him if he is.

ehm... not talked. tweeted.

 

[Eshnar]

Daniel Freibe just tweeted that he had it on good authority a few months ago Passo Pura near Zoncolan will be used.

Vajont stage probably.

 

[Eshnar]

it might make Nibali consider doing the Tour after the Giro, but wont make anyone doing the Tour consider the Giro.

even worse, they could alienate purito.

If Nibali has any contact with reality, he'll win the Giro and then try the Vuelta. Purito knows he has no chance to win the Tour, so I guess he'll focus on the Vuelta and will probably race the Giro.

 

[The Hitch]

If Nibali has any contact with reality, he'll win the Giro and then try the Vuelta. Purito knows he has no chance to win the Tour, so I guess he'll focus on the Vuelta and will probably race the Giro.

If phinney gets his tt wish he has no chance at the giro either. But my guess is hell choose it over le tour if only because that will allow him better prep for his home race.