Giro 2017, stage 19: S.Candido/Innichen - Piancavallo 191 km

[Zinoviev Letter]

Froome must be laughing and laughing. Quintana will be exhausted. Also now, just as in the Tour last year, it no longer looks like Nairo is in the Froome tier of climber anyway. From all appearances he belongs with the likes of Nibali and Pinot.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

Re: Giro 2017, stage 19: S.Candido/Innichen - Piancavallo 19

Dumoulin just needs a good day tomorrow and he'll still win this.

He looks very tired though. At the end of three weeks, recovery is the most important indicator and Dumoulin is arguably not known for his great recovery unlike the other contenders. I think he will eventually lose more time tomorrow, but he's doing a great job of limiting the losses so far. Who knows how much he will lose. 1 minute loss again to Quintana and Quintana has a buffer that should be close to if not big enough.

 

[Irondan]

Re: Giro 2017, stage 19: S.Candido/Innichen - Piancavallo 19

Pinot will win this Giro.

This is looking very likely.

He will loose for one second in the itt to...

He seems to be getting stronger while the others get more tired. I don't think he'll lose a second per k and he might surprise us all with a really good ITT.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Horrible to see Nairo gets rewarded by racing so negatively.

Bad shape or not.

Just so frustrating.

 

[Jelantik]

Re: Giro 2017, stage 19: S.Candido/Innichen - Piancavallo 19

Pinot will win this Giro.

now, I'm rooting for Pinot. At least he dares to attack. Quintana? meh... I bet he doesn't have the leg.

 

[wolvie15]

Re: Giro 2017, stage 19: S.Candido/Innichen - Piancavallo 19

Pinot will win this Giro.

This is looking very likely.

He will loose for one second in the itt to...

If he became a decent TT , he would be a Tour winner

 

[movingtarget]

He seems to be holding his form well in the third week. The TT could be interesting.

 

[Irondan]

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Froome must be laughing and laughing. Quintana will be exhausted. Also now, just as in the Tour last year, it no longer looks like Nairo is in the Froome tier of climber anyway.

Nairo is certainly not the climbing dream he used to be, can he be that by the Tour?

We'll find out but I think people are going to be disappointed.

 

[DFA123]

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Horrible to see Nairo gets rewarded by racing so negatively.

Bad shape or not.

I think that's harsh. The other side of the same coin is that he's putting in an amazing battling performance to haul himself into pink, despite not having the legs.

He could follow all of Nib's acceleration. Then you can at least try something. Or just taking the responsibility of the race and let Rojas ride full tempo in that last 5 km.

He could have gapped Dumoulin even more if he didn't play those stupid mind games with Nibali and co.

Now he needs to take care of Pinot also, who is in better shape and is a superior timetrialist. And Nairo surely doesn't have the legs atm to attack and put the others on the rope.

I'm not sure he could have done. He was hauled back in easily by Reichenbach yesterday. When he attacked on Oropa he ended up losing time. He just doesn't have the legs, and so he had to basically mark Nibali today, as losing any time to Nibali would have been a disaster and would almost certainly have ended his chances.

Agree that Pinot is definitely a big threat; mostly because of how strong he looked relative to the others. He's got a very nice team as well. But has he got the confidence and ambition to try something as early as Grappa?

 

[RattaKuningas]

There is no reason for Quintana to attack for handful of seconds because everyone has to save every energy they have left. I think that he is going to have a try tomorrow and it is possible that Dumoulin cracking changed his plans. If you can take time without attacking you have to take it. 1 minute for free basically with no extra energy spent.

 

[wolvie15]

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Froome must be laughing and laughing. Quintana will be exhausted. Also now, just as in the Tour last year, it no longer looks like Nairo is in the Froome tier of climber anyway.

Nairo is certainly not the climbing dream he used to be, can he be that by the Tour?

We'll find out but I think people are going to be disappointed.

He's leaving oo much on teh road in the Giro. He won't be a contender in France

 

[Jelantik]

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Horrible to see Nairo gets rewarded by racing so negatively.

Bad shape or not.

Just so frustrating.

I agreed. Taunting as the best climber and the top favorite... he showed meh in the 3rd week. A bit disappointing. Froome will eat him alive in the TDF. Hope Contador can stay upright and arrives in superb form. Otherwise, Froome will kill everyone in the first week already.

 

[DFA123]

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Froome must be laughing and laughing. Quintana will be exhausted. Also now, just as in the Tour last year, it no longer looks like Nairo is in the Froome tier of climber anyway.

Nairo is certainly not the climbing dream he used to be, can he be that by the Tour?

We'll find out but I think people are going to be disappointed.

He did look like this in the Tour last year though, and then was absolutely flying for the whole three weeks in the Vuelta. His form doesn't seem to follow the orthodox theory so much. Nor does Valverde's, so maybe its something in their preparation and training.

 

[Ruby United]

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Froome must be laughing and laughing. Quintana will be exhausted. Also now, just as in the Tour last year, it no longer looks like Nairo is in the Froome tier of climber anyway.

Agree. Quintana has to wait a couple of years until Froome starts slowing down or hope Froome crashes out of the Tour

 

[Red Rick]

Whoever wins the Giro, he owes Wilco Kelderman. Landa just about the best of them while being in every single breakaway.

 

[jaylew]

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Froome must be laughing and laughing. Quintana will be exhausted. Also now, just as in the Tour last year, it no longer looks like Nairo is in the Froome tier of climber anyway.

Conveniently leaving out the GT in between those two, huh?

 

[Escarabajo]

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**** Q showed zilch so far and still goes into pink.

Well he has attacked:

- Blockhauss
- Oropa
- Gardena
- Pointives

You cannot judge him for not trying.

He was bad today, but he is hanging on for dear life. Going for the most consistent rider of the race is not easy. Besides, I don't think he will do well in that TT so don't worry. He is not the favorite now.

Everybody expects Pantani like performance just about avery stage and every mountain. That's not going to happen. Even Froome looks spent on the last week of GT's at times.

 

[saunaking]

what the hell happened to Quintana in Colombia? He was devastating in Europe earlier this year

 

[fauniera]

Re: Giro 2017, stage 19: S.Candido/Innichen - Piancavallo 19

By the way, Zakarin is also in contention for the win. Only 1:21 down and an excellent time trialist when on a good day. And his form seems to be better than at the start of the Giro.

 

[Rollthedice]

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Froome must be laughing and laughing. Quintana will be exhausted. Also now, just as in the Tour last year, it no longer looks like Nairo is in the Froome tier of climber anyway. From all appearances he belongs with the likes of Nibali and Pinot.

Froome tier of climber consists of Froome.

 

[Eyeballs Out]

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Froome must be laughing and laughing. Quintana will be exhausted. Also now, just as in the Tour last year, it no longer looks like Nairo is in the Froome tier of climber anyway.

Nairo is certainly not the climbing dream he used to be, can he be that by the Tour?

We'll find out but I think people are going to be disappointed.

Based on what we've seen so far this season Quintana has a lot less to fear from Froome than Froome has from Quintana

 

[wolvie15]

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There is no reason for Quintana to attack for handful of seconds because everyone has to save every energy they have left. I think that he is going to have a try tomorrow and it is possible that Dumoulin cracking changed his plans. If you can take time without attacking you have to take it. 1 minute for free basically with no extra energy spent.

I kind of agree. Why risking tiring yourself when there is still a mountain stage left ? He only had to follow Nibali. He and Nibali are equal in TT. Nibali has to attack . Quintana, once he saw Dumoulin cracking did not need to. It lacks panache. But it makes tactical sense . And , if your gaoal is the TOUR/Giro double, you have to pace yourself

 

[DFA123]

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Horrible to see Nairo gets rewarded by racing so negatively.

Bad shape or not.

Just so frustrating.

I agreed. Taunting as the best climber and the top favorite... he showed meh in the 3rd week. A bit disappointing. Froome will eat him alive in the TDF. Hope Contador can stay upright and arrives in superb form. Otherwise, Froome will kill everyone in the first week already.

Doesn't this just confirm why Quintana was top favourite? He's clearly well below his best, hasn't got the legs to even attack properly on his favoured terrain. Yet he's still leading the race right now, with a reasonable chance of winning it.

 

[Escarabajo]

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what the hell happened to Quintana in Colombia? He was devastating in Europe earlier this year

This is how he would have looked at the Tour if he wasn't at the Giro now.

 

[movingtarget]

Considering how early Dumoulin got dropped it just shows that Nibali and Quintana haven't got much left in the tank either.