Giro 2017, stage 19: S.Candido/Innichen - Piancavallo 191 km

[cantalupe]

RAI looked at the tape and it wasn't Movistar who attacked on the descent, it was Team Sunweb.

 

[Irondan]

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Considering how early Dumoulin got dropped it just shows that Nibali and Quintana haven't got much left in the tank either.

That was blindingly obvious in the last 5 k.

 

[Son of Amsterhammer]

So it probably comes down to who wants it the most tomorrow. They should all be exhausted at this point.

 

[saganist]

Re: Giro 2017, stage 19: S.Candido/Innichen - Piancavallo 19

RAI showing that it was actually SUNWEB to split the peloton in the descend

 

[Red Rick]

It's more than Quintana being bad. He's profiting from his team as well. If Nibali really had it this year, he'd have creamed him by now.

 

[Pricey_sky]

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Froome must be laughing and laughing. Quintana will be exhausted. Also now, just as in the Tour last year, it no longer looks like Nairo is in the Froome tier of climber anyway.

Nairo is certainly not the climbing dream he used to be, can he be that by the Tour?

We'll find out but I think people are going to be disappointed.

Based on what we've seen so far this season Quintana has a lot less to fear from Froome than Froome has from Quintana

But also based on the past couple of seasons Froome doesn't truely get going until the Dauphine. I can't see Quintana challenging going so deep here, he must pay for it at some point this July.

 

[Escarabajo]

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There is no reason for Quintana to attack for handful of seconds because everyone has to save every energy they have left. I think that he is going to have a try tomorrow and it is possible that Dumoulin cracking changed his plans. If you can take time without attacking you have to take it. 1 minute for free basically with no extra energy spent.

I kind of agree. Why risking tiring yourself when there is still a mountain stage left ? He only had to follow Nibali. He and Nibali are equal in TT. Nibali has to attack . Quintana, once he saw Dumoulin cracking did not need to. It lacks panache. But it makes tactical sense

TBH, he did not attack because he was dead.

Not sure how he will be tomorrow.

 

[El Pistolero]

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There is no reason for Quintana to attack for handful of seconds because everyone has to save every energy they have left. I think that he is going to have a try tomorrow and it is possible that Dumoulin cracking changed his plans. If you can take time without attacking you have to take it. 1 minute for free basically with no extra energy spent.

I kind of agree. Why risking tiring yourself when there is still a mountain stage left ? He only had to follow Nibali. He and Nibali are equal in TT. Nibali has to attack . Quintana, once he saw Dumoulin cracking did not need to. It lacks panache. But it makes tactical sense

Since when is Quintana equal to Nibali in the TT?

 

[Irondan]

Tom Dumoulin: "I made a rookie mistake by sitting in the back of the bunch", when asked about the split in the beginning of the stage.

Addmittedly he had bad legs today.

 

[jsem94]

No *** excuses from Tom today. Well spoken.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

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Horrible to see Nairo gets rewarded by racing so negatively.

Bad shape or not.

Just so frustrating.

I agreed. Taunting as the best climber and the top favorite... he showed meh in the 3rd week. A bit disappointing. Froome will eat him alive in the TDF. Hope Contador can stay upright and arrives in superb form. Otherwise, Froome will kill everyone in the first week already.

Yes, the Tour is shaping up to be awful. Quintana doesn't look like he's any match for Froome nowadays even when he is fresh and will be exhausted anyway. Contador is old. Nibali was never a serious rival and won't be there. Only something like illness or some huge tactical disaster will get anyone else within four minutes.

Unbelievable that the last best hope of the Tour being any kind of competition is Little Richie Porte. What has this world come to? Am I really going to have to go into a GT cheering for Richie Porte and hoping he doesn't throw away five stupid minutes in the first week? I'm appalled.

 

[DFA123]

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So it probably comes down to who wants it the most tomorrow. They should all be exhausted at this point.

I think if Zakarin or Pinot risk it all on Grappa, they both have a great chance of winning the whole thing. Even with their dodgy descending, it's clear they are the two strongest contenders right now and need to make the day as hard as possible. They should forget the 'names' in front of them and just ride it based on how everyone else looks right now.

 

[yaco]

That was an awesome ride by Landa - To create that gap on Costa and Rolland was impressive.

 

[46&twoWheels]

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There is no reason for Quintana to attack for handful of seconds because everyone has to save every energy they have left. I think that he is going to have a try tomorrow and it is possible that Dumoulin cracking changed his plans. If you can take time without attacking you have to take it. 1 minute for free basically with no extra energy spent.

I kind of agree. Why risking tiring yourself when there is still a mountain stage left ? He only had to follow Nibali. He and Nibali are equal in TT. Nibali has to attack . Quintana, once he saw Dumoulin cracking did not need to. It lacks panache. But it makes tactical sense

eh??
Nibali will give at least 30-40 seconds to Quintana in the next TT

 

[Irondan]

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No ****** excuses from Tom today. Well spoken.

I wish all riders spoke with as much honesty as he does at the end of a stage...

 

[therhodeo]

Lets all pretend like the tour isn't crap every year anyway.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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Froome must be laughing and laughing. Quintana will be exhausted. Also now, just as in the Tour last year, it no longer looks like Nairo is in the Froome tier of climber anyway.

Nairo is certainly not the climbing dream he used to be, can he be that by the Tour?

We'll find out but I think people are going to be disappointed.

He did look like this in the Tour last year though, and then was absolutely flying for the whole three weeks in the Vuelta. His form doesn't seem to follow the orthodox theory so much. Nor does Valverde's, so maybe its something in their preparation and training.

It is Unzue's theory that Nairo reacts better to riding two grand tours. He is better in the 2nd GT.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/qui...ur-de-france-but-im-not-a-level-below-froome/

 

[Arked]

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Whoever wins the Giro, he owes Wilco Kelderman. Landa just about the best of them while being in every single breakaway.

In the heat of the moment it's easy to forget how embarrassing is his TT. I seriously doubt he would gain enough time in the mountains to make up for this.

 

[Irondan]

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So it probably comes down to who wants it the most tomorrow. They should all be exhausted at this point.

I think if Zakarin or Pinot risk it all on Grappa, they both have a great chance of winning the whole thing. Even with their dodgy descending, it's clear they are the two strongest contenders right now and need to make the day as hard as possible. They should forget the 'names' in front of them and just ride it based on how everyone else looks right now.

I agree, they're riding very well right now and have teams that can put pressure on the others with the hope to make something happen. It's all possible for them two right now, probably more so than the others.

 

[DFA123]

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Whoever wins the Giro, he owes Wilco Kelderman. Landa just about the best of them while being in every single breakaway.

In the heat of the moment it's easy to forget how embarrassing is his TT. I seriously doubt he would gain enough time in the mountains to make up for this.

Yeah, you also can't really compare a rider in the break to those in the favourites group. It's just completely different racing dynamics and different energy usage.

 

[woodburn]

Refreshing interview from Tom. Honest it was his fault and didn't have legs. Hoping he can recover tomorrow.

 

[luckyboy]

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what the hell happened to Quintana in Colombia? He was devastating in Europe earlier this year

This is how he would have looked at the Tour if he wasn't at the Giro now.

huh

If he was just focused on the Tour then he would be at 100% instead of like this

 

[Rollthedice]

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It's more than Quintana being bad. He's profiting from his team as well. If Nibali really had it this year, he'd have creamed him by now.

Nibali has it as mucho as possible and I think he'll still win.

 

[Irondan]

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Lets all pretend like the tour isn't crap every year anyway.

It's not at all.

Don't watch it if you feel that way, it's pretty simple.

 

[movingtarget]

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So it probably comes down to who wants it the most tomorrow. They should all be exhausted at this point.

I think if Zakarin or Pinot risk it all on Grappa, they both have a great chance of winning the whole thing. Even with their dodgy descending, it's clear they are the two strongest contenders right now and need to make the day as hard as possible. They should forget the 'names' in front of them and just ride it based on how everyone else looks right now.

I think the podium is far from decided. Pinot looks fresher than the other three and Zakarin has no reason not to attack to get himself better positioned before the TT.