Giro 2017, stage 9: Montenero di Bisaccia - Blockhaus 149 km

[RattaKuningas]

I don't think that Quintana will attack unless things get really explosive and there are only couple of riders together with few kilometers to go. But I don't see Quintana losing any time today so if I have to pick one from the main GC bunch I'd still go with Quintana.

EDIT: Am I the only one who doesn't understand Zakarin and Landa hype?

 

[Fernandez]

I dont think serious GC attacks will start before 5 kms to the finish.

 

[Rollthedice]

Question is who will lead the peloton up the mountain, which team will take the responsibility to make an early selection or rather which team has the strength to do this. It is obvious that Quintana considers Nibali as the main threat in this Giro and vice-versa so they will try to follow each other's moves. I don't think that any of the two are ready to show all their cards on Blockhaus and the chess game will continue, top 5 in this stage for both. This leaves opportunities for the likes of Zakarin and Pinot to attack. I think Landa will go early, get caught and dropped in the final kms. Apart from obviously Teejay, I think Jungels, Dumoulin, Bauke will loose significant time. Yates, Thomas and Kruijswijk to do well.

 

[Red Rick]

Unless one of Sky or Movistar plans on bringing down the hammer, it's not gonna insane gaps. The only main contender benefitted by a conservative climb is Thomas.

I think Zakarin is a dark horse for this one.

 

[ontheroad]

Think Quintana and Nibali will have to take as much time as possible here considering that they will lose as much and probably more time in the next sage's TT. I expect that Quintana could win this by 20-30 secs and go for the time bonus knowing that he will likely only borrow the pink jersey for one day. Either way we should know aa lot more about each rider's credentials after today.

 

[Bavarianrider]

Re: Giro 2017, stage 9: Montenero di Bisaccia - Blockhaus 14

The stage reminds me a lot on the 1997 Alpe d'Huez stage.
The climbs themselves are pretty similar and so are the stages, though 1997 was longer. Both stages are flat and just before the actual climb there's an initial climb "pre climb" of about 10kms length with modest gradients that brings the peleton to the bottom of the actual climb.

In 1997 the Alpe d'Huez climb was pure carnage and everybody went flat out right from the begining. There were no "attacks" back then. everybody just rode his pace until he couldn't keep the pace anymore. So much fun to watch.
Today we'll likely see another snoozefest, of course.


1. Marco Pantani (Ita) MER 5.02.42 (avs. 40,336 km/h )
2. Jan Ullrich (Ger) TEL 0.47
3. Richard Virenque (Fra) FES 1.27
4. Francesco Casagrande (Ita) SAE 2.27
5. Bjarne Riis (Dan) TEL 2.28
6. Beat Zberg (Swi) MER 2.59
7. Udo Bolts (Ger) TEL 2.59
8. Roberto Conti (Ita) MER 2.59
9. Laurent Madouas (Fra) LOT 2.59
10. Laurent Jalabert (Fra) ONC 3.22
11. Marco Fincato (Ita) ROS 3.22
12. Abraham Olano (Spa) BAN 3.25
13. Orlando Rodrigues (Por) BAN 3.30
14. Manuel Beltran (Spa) BAN 3.46
15. Fernando Escartin (Spa) KEL 4.14
16. Davide Rebellin (Ita) FDJ 4.25
17. Patrick Jonker (Aus) RAB 4.27
18. Jean-Cyril Robin (Fra) USP 4.27
19. Jose Maria Jimenez (Spa) BAN 4.27
20. Peter Luttenberger (Aut) RAB 4.27
21. Bobby Julich (USA) COF 4.27
22. Oskar Camenzind (Swi) MAP 4.31
23. Javier Pascual (Spa) KEL 4.31
24. Kevin Livingston (USA) COF 5.09
25. Thierry Bourguignon (Fra) BIG 5.19
26. David Etxebarria (Spa) ONC 5.24
27. Joona Laukka (Fin) FES 5.24
28. Jean-Philippe Dojwa (Fra) MUT 5.24
29. Stephane Heulot (Fra) FDJ 5.24
30. Alberto Elli (Ita) CSO 5.24
31. Peter Meinert (Dan) USP 5.24
32. Michael Boogerd (Ned) RAB 5.24
33. Massimo Podenzana (Ita) MER 5.24
34. Daniele Nardello (Ita) MAP 5.34
35. Angel Casero (Spa) BAN 5.34
36. Jon Odriozola (Spa) BAT 5.47
37. Fabrice Gougot (Fra) CSO 5.53
38. Pascal Chanteur (Fra) CSO 5.53
39. Jose de los Angeles (Spa) KEL 5.53
40. Santiago Blanco (Spa) BAN 5.53
41. Frank Vandenbroucke (Bel) MAP 6.13
42. Gianluca Valoti (Ita) PLT 6.26
43. Miguel Arroyo (Mex) BIG 6.34
44. Marcello Siboni (Ita) MER 6.34
45. Andrea Tafi (Ita) MAP 7.05
46. Tyler Hamilton (USA) USP 7.05
47. Frangois Simon (Fra) GAN 7.05
48. Laurent Roux (Fra) TVM 7.05
49. Arturas Kasputis (Lit) CSO 7.05
50. Viatcheslav Djavanian (Rus) ROS 7.05

 

[Lexman]

Bart De Clercq wins this easily you read it here first

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Re:

1. Zakarin
2. Kruijswijk +12
3. Quintana +12
4. Thomas +18
5. Nibali +28
6. Pinot +29
7. Landa +42
8. Pozzovivo +42
9. Formolo +46
10. Yates +54

62. Van Garderen +7'19

Formolo ahead of Yates? Bonkers.

He may not win, but I'm really struggling to remember a time Yates wasn't competitive in a race he targets - extremely consistent results.

 

[The Hegelian]

I reckon Pinot, Yates & Landa will take a little bit (but not much) off Nibali and Quintana.

I'm assuming that Quintana is still a fair bit off his peak condition. If it was the third week, then he'd be winning this.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I love how everyone predcits TJ will fail! I think he will last 1 week more.

 

[portugal11]

Re:

I love how everyone predcits TJ will fail! I think he will last 1 week more.

Depends on how you classify a failure. If today tejay lost 2 minutes, would be a failure to you?

 

[BullsFan22]

Re: Giro 2017, stage 9: Montenero di Bisaccia - Blockhaus 14

The stage reminds me a lot on the 1997 Alpe d'Huez stage.
The climbs themselves are pretty similar and so are the stages, though 1997 was longer. Both stages are flat and just before the actual climb there's an initial climb "pre climb" of about 10kms length with modest gradients that brings the peleton to the bottom of the actual climb.

In 1997 the Alpe d'Huez climb was pure carnage and everybody went flat out right from the begining. There were no "attacks" back then. everybody just rode his pace until he couldn't keep the pace anymore. So much fun to watch.
Today we'll likely see another snoozefest, of course.


1. Marco Pantani (Ita) MER 5.02.42 (avs. 40,336 km/h )
2. Jan Ullrich (Ger) TEL 0.47
3. Richard Virenque (Fra) FES 1.27
4. Francesco Casagrande (Ita) SAE 2.27
5. Bjarne Riis (Dan) TEL 2.28
6. Beat Zberg (Swi) MER 2.59
7. Udo Bolts (Ger) TEL 2.59
8. Roberto Conti (Ita) MER 2.59
9. Laurent Madouas (Fra) LOT 2.59
10. Laurent Jalabert (Fra) ONC 3.22
11. Marco Fincato (Ita) ROS 3.22
12. Abraham Olano (Spa) BAN 3.25
13. Orlando Rodrigues (Por) BAN 3.30
14. Manuel Beltran (Spa) BAN 3.46
15. Fernando Escartin (Spa) KEL 4.14
16. Davide Rebellin (Ita) FDJ 4.25
17. Patrick Jonker (Aus) RAB 4.27
18. Jean-Cyril Robin (Fra) USP 4.27
19. Jose Maria Jimenez (Spa) BAN 4.27
20. Peter Luttenberger (Aut) RAB 4.27
21. Bobby Julich (USA) COF 4.27
22. Oskar Camenzind (Swi) MAP 4.31
23. Javier Pascual (Spa) KEL 4.31
24. Kevin Livingston (USA) COF 5.09
25. Thierry Bourguignon (Fra) BIG 5.19
26. David Etxebarria (Spa) ONC 5.24
27. Joona Laukka (Fin) FES 5.24
28. Jean-Philippe Dojwa (Fra) MUT 5.24
29. Stephane Heulot (Fra) FDJ 5.24
30. Alberto Elli (Ita) CSO 5.24
31. Peter Meinert (Dan) USP 5.24
32. Michael Boogerd (Ned) RAB 5.24
33. Massimo Podenzana (Ita) MER 5.24
34. Daniele Nardello (Ita) MAP 5.34
35. Angel Casero (Spa) BAN 5.34
36. Jon Odriozola (Spa) BAT 5.47
37. Fabrice Gougot (Fra) CSO 5.53
38. Pascal Chanteur (Fra) CSO 5.53
39. Jose de los Angeles (Spa) KEL 5.53
40. Santiago Blanco (Spa) BAN 5.53
41. Frank Vandenbroucke (Bel) MAP 6.13
42. Gianluca Valoti (Ita) PLT 6.26
43. Miguel Arroyo (Mex) BIG 6.34
44. Marcello Siboni (Ita) MER 6.34
45. Andrea Tafi (Ita) MAP 7.05
46. Tyler Hamilton (USA) USP 7.05
47. Frangois Simon (Fra) GAN 7.05
48. Laurent Roux (Fra) TVM 7.05
49. Arturas Kasputis (Lit) CSO 7.05
50. Viatcheslav Djavanian (Rus) ROS 7.05

That was a great stage!! Remember Ullrich's riding specifically. Once they took that turn from Bourg D'Oisans into the first pitches of the Alpe D'Huez, I don't think Ullrich got off his seat once. It was a brutal pace they were setting. One by one, dropping off like flies, and Pantani kept turning the screw. I remember Phil Liggett saying as they were getting further up the mountain, 'surely Pantani won't have Ullrich right on his back the entire climb?' Something like that anyway.

Not to go off on a tangent, but the 2003 Alpe D'Huez stage was just as epic, even though there were more attacks. First US Postal literally sprinted at the bottom to string the group out, then the pace kept going, until there was only a half a dozen top guys or so. Then the endless attacks started coming, first Beloki, then again Beloki, and the decisive move from Mayo, Hamilton, Beloki again, Hamilton again, Vinokurov was behind, caught them, and attacked and got second on the stage. Basso, Zubeldia, Mancebo and Laiseka also featured.

Anyway, I wouldn't mind either of those two scenarios, but this group of GC men look more like uninterested zombies. I hope we don't have to wait until the last two or so stages to get some fireworks going!

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re: Re:

I love how everyone predcits TJ will fail! I think he will last 1 week more.

Depends on how you classify a failure. If today tejay lost 2 minutes, would be a failure to you?

Not at all actually.

From Eshnar's preview
What to expect:
Carnage on the last climb, a clear winner and half the forum claiming the Giro is over and complaining about such a hard finish on stage 9

Yes please.

 

[sir fly]

Took a closer look at the climb and it looks interesting.
Pretty regular in gradient, but not exactly a tempo ascent.
Should be better than Etna GC-wise.

 

[portugal11]

Re: Re:

I love how everyone predcits TJ will fail! I think he will last 1 week more.

Depends on how you classify a failure. If today tejay lost 2 minutes, would be a failure to you?

Not at all actually.

From Eshnar's preview
What to expect:
Carnage on the last climb, a clear winner and half the forum claiming the Giro is over and complaining about such a hard finish on stage 9

Yes please.

I don't think a 2 minutes losses is a failure too (for tejay). That's why i think he will crack completely after the third rest day

 

[Eagle]

Breakaway:

Alexey Tstatevich (Gazprom-RusVelo), Mads Pedersen (Trek-Segafredo), Marco Marcato (UAE Team Emirates), Omar Fraile (Dimension Data), Jan Tratnik (CCC Sprandi Polkowice), Matteo Montaguti (AG2R La Mondiale), Luis Leon Sanchez (Astana), Matteo Busato (Wilier-Triestina) and Iljo Keisse (Quick-Step Floors)

Bardiani chasing

 

[BullsFan22]

Re: Giro 2017, stage 9: Montenero di Bisaccia - Blockhaus 14

Is Gazprom trying to have at least one rider in a breakaway in every stage at this Giro? I think they are. Will they win a stage is the big question.

 

[Eagle]

Rolland, Marczynski and Modolo in between, peloton sitting up

 

[sir fly]

The trio will join the breakaway. Rolland will be the most serious name.

 

[Anderis]

Doesn't look like they're going to bridge. Fraile FTW if the break manages to survive somehow.

 

[Eagle]

Re:

The trio will join the breakaway. Rolland will be the most serious name.

It doesn't look like they will make it, 2 minutes behind the front group

 

[Eagle]

Cannondale chasing now

 

[Max Rockatansky]

Re: Giro 2017, stage 9: Montenero di Bisaccia - Blockhaus 14

Not to go off on a tangent, but the 2003 Alpe D'Huez stage was just as epic, even though there were more attacks. First US Postal literally sprinted at the bottom to string the group out, then the pace kept going, until there was only a half a dozen top guys or so. Then the endless attacks started coming, first Beloki, then again Beloki, and the decisive move from Mayo, Hamilton, Beloki again, Hamilton again, Vinokurov was behind, caught them, and attacked and got second on the stage. Basso, Zubeldia, Mancebo and Laiseka also featured.

Love that video. Soundtrack fits so perfect to that era. They hit those early slopes so hard, that there was basically nothing left of the peloton in seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-y38WZAtgc

 

[Max Rockatansky]

Re:

Cannondale chasing now

They don't want to have Rolland in the group.

 

[Max Rockatansky]

Re: Giro 2017, stage 9: Montenero di Bisaccia - Blockhaus 14

The stage reminds me a lot on the 1997 Alpe d'Huez stage.
The climbs themselves are pretty similar and so are the stages, though 1997 was longer. Both stages are flat and just before the actual climb there's an initial climb "pre climb" of about 10kms length with modest gradients that brings the peleton to the bottom of the actual climb.

In 1997 the Alpe d'Huez climb was pure carnage and everybody went flat out right from the begining. There were no "attacks" back then. everybody just rode his pace until he couldn't keep the pace anymore. So much fun to watch.
Today we'll likely see another snoozefest, of course.

No need to go back this far. Just watch what Basso did on Passo Lanciano in 2006. He just set a brutal tempo and dropped them like stones. That was stage 8, today it is stage 9. Guess a climb like today would create bigger gaps, when being stage 13 after some difficult stages like in 1997.

1 Ivan Basso (Ita) Team CSC 4.04.19 (41.994 km/h)
2 Damiano Cunego (Ita) Lampre-Fondital 0.30
3 José E. Gutierrez Cataluna (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems
4 Giampaolo Caruso (Ita) Liberty Seguros-Würth Team 0.45
5 Luca Mazzanti (Ita) Ceramica Panaria-Navigare 1.09
6 Leonardo Piepoli (Ita) Saunier Duval-Prodir 1.15
7 Gilberto Simoni (Ita) Saunier Duval-Prodir
8 Danilo Di Luca (Ita) Liquigas 1.32
9 José Rujano Guillen (Ven) Selle Italia-Serramenti Diquigiovanni 1.50
10 Julio Alberto Perez Cuapio (Mex) Ceramica Panaria-Navigare 1.52
11 Patrice Halgand (Fra) Credit Agricole 2.09
12 Roberto Laiseka Jaio (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi
13 Andrea Noe' (Ita) Liquigas
14 Sylvester Szmyd (Pol) Lampre-Fondital 2.14
15 Paolo Savoldelli (Ita) Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 2.20
16 Emanuele Sella (Ita) Ceramica Panaria-Navigare
17 Sergio Ghisalberti (Ita) Team Milram
18 Tom Danielson (USA) Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 2.25
19 Serguei Gonchar (Ukr) T-Mobile Team 2.34
20 Francesco Bellotti (Ita) Credit Agricole