Giro d'Italia 2016 Rumours

[Gigs_98]

I don't like that at all. No Livigno and the mtt really on stage 15. Thats extremely bad.
The rest is actually exactly as expected. Btw, does anyone know why stage 3 has 2 stars? There are 1 star stages which look clearly harder. Is it possible that some easy cobbles or stuff like that will be used?

 

[Red Rick]

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Is it me or are there very few high mountain stages next year?

They saw people complaining about the altitude and decided to lay low
No, seriously, yes. 3 stages of real high mountains, plus the MTT and maybe Andalo, depending on the route but being 3 stars I don't think so.

Wow, that's very unGirolike.

Maybe they're planning to rehire Zomegnan for a one year period in 2017 and they want to make a somewhat doable Giro to balance it out a bit

 

[Brullnux]

Basically Nibali should win this, as high mountains are the only places where Landa can really take any time (although I don't think he can against a top Nibali). Medium Mtfs are too easy and the stage to Corvara might suits Nibali.

 

[Red Rick]

I don't like that at all. No Livigno and the mtt really on stage 15. Thats extremely bad.
The rest is actually exactly as expected. Btw, does anyone know why stage 3 has 2 stars? There are 1 star stages which look clearly harder. Is it possible that some easy cobbles or stuff like that will be used?

Not that I know of. And they skipped the hills

 

[Gigs_98]

You're right, when they're going high, they're going high.

That parcours is extremely risky. They took out gavia but now if it snows on the last friday and sturday there is only 1 single high mountain stage (and as we saw it in 2013 even the giau can be in danger)

I'm interested how the race will turn out to be. An easy route can be good too because it forces the riders to go all out on the few mountain stages. Take Landa for example. He has to go crazy on the last stages of this Giro d'Francia to beat the better TT'ers.

 

[Matteo.]

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Basically Nibali should win this, as high mountains are the only places where Landa can really take any time (although I don't think he can against a top Nibali). Medium Mtfs are too easy and the stage to Corvara might suits Nibali.

i agree, a Giro tailored to nibali 60km ITT and only few mountains.

anyway, nibali or not, i don't like this route. Medium Mtfs are too easy and they will not make big differences between the best riders.
Fox exemple, Pra Martino: we just saw what happened in 2011 . ok , there will be a bit of spectacle but differences will be irrelevant

 

[OlavEH]

There could be some good medium mountain stages here, but this looks very disappointing. Especially the last 2 mountain stages in France. Short stages, outside of Italy and the use of very high passes is quite risky. Italy has a shitload of mountains. It's really not necessary to have most of the two most important mountain stages outside of Italy.

 

[chartwatch]

I don't like that at all. No Livigno and the mtt really on stage 15. Thats extremely bad.
The rest is actually exactly as expected. Btw, does anyone know why stage 3 has 2 stars? There are 1 star stages which look clearly harder. Is it possible that some easy cobbles or stuff like that will be used?

Not that I know of. And they skipped the hills

Well did they?..There seems to be some undilations at 85% (~160 km) into the stage. So maybe Oude holleweg in stage 2 and Posbank in stage3. Both 4th category of course but at least they can hand out the mountain jersey then.

 

[hrotha]

I want to see proper profiles and what not but I'm kinda worried now.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

The Corvara stage looks like no kitten in this world is safe.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Considering the Giros some of you have posted, this looks like Tour de France 2012/06, but I still somehow think its hard to judge until proper route profiles..

 

[jens_attacks]

this might be pretty bad.

 

[May0maniac]

Having the MTT on stage 15 is bad, stage 13 and 14 would be great stages, but now the riders will try to save their legs for the MTT.
No Livigno stage is also a bummer.
I really like stage 14, but what's the point of having a great stage like that when you have a MTT on the next day?
With a MTT after the restday an a decent hilly stage as stage 15 it would have been much better.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Having the MTT on stage 15 is bad, stage 13 and 14 would be great stages, but now the riders will try to save their legs for the MTT.
No Livigno stage is also a bummer.
I really like stage 14, but what's the point of having a great stage like that when you have a MTT on the next day?
With a MTT after the restday an a decent hilly stage as stage 15 it would have been much better.

I thought the same, in theory stage 14 should scare people away from going all out on stage 13, while the MTT should scare people away from going big on stage 14.. but its only some 10 kilometers long, it would have been different if you got Chamrousse MTT '01. And considering there arent too many tough stages, Landa surely needs to come out and play.

Where are the rest days?

 

[May0maniac]

Restdays are after stage 3, 9 and 15, so you have them after the transfer from the Netherlands, after the ITT and after the MTT.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Restdays are after stage 3, 9 and 15, so you have them after the transfer from the Netherlands, after the ITT and after the MTT.

Hmm ok, thats rather horrible considering stage 13-15 are great, but clustered.

 

[May0maniac]

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Restdays are after stage 3, 9 and 15, so you have them after the transfer from the Netherlands, after the ITT and after the MTT.

Hmm ok, thats rather horrible considering stage 13-15 are great, but clustered.

Exactly, that's the big problem.

 

[Gigs_98]

To point out some positive aspects:
- The first stage is 10 km's long which means that there are still 50 flat TT kilometers. Thats decent.
- The MTT is only 10 kilometers long so the time gaps wont be huge --> there could still be descent racing on stage 14 and good one on stage 13
- One road stage with a 1st cat. mtf is absolutely great. I never expected something like that in the near future
- We finally have tuscany sterrato back, and although there wont be very much I'm still very happy about it
- All the high mountain stages are near the end so the hilly stages could be raced quite well (although there was also the giro 2012 but in that year the route before the alps was generally shitty, so I hope it will be better this time)
- although it doesnt include fedaia we finally get a real Dolomites stage again, the first time since 2012
- If I see this correctly they will climb Pra Martino from the unconventional side and thats awesome (extremely steep)

 

[Eshnar]

btw, I forgot to give credit to those who found the summary picture
http://www.cicloweb.it/
It seems I got the dolomite stage wrong, now that I check it. It appears to be Pordoi Sella Gardena Campolongo S.Lucia Giau and Valparola.

 

[Valv.Piti]

- If I see this correctly they will climb Pra Martino from the unconventional side and thats awesome (extremely steep)

I was at Pramartino in 2011 and climbed the 'backside' of it and its indeed much tougher, seemed like 9-10% on something like 4 kms. In contrary, the regular ascent is decent, but I noticed it got a lot of flat plateaus (not more than a few 10-20 meters) and its close to impossible to make decent gaps on that climb, its relatively easy on for pros probably on big ring.

 

[Red Rick]

I don't like that at all. No Livigno and the mtt really on stage 15. Thats extremely bad.
The rest is actually exactly as expected. Btw, does anyone know why stage 3 has 2 stars? There are 1 star stages which look clearly harder. Is it possible that some easy cobbles or stuff like that will be used?

Not that I know of. And they skipped the hills

Well did they?..There seems to be some undilations at 85% (~160 km) into the stage. So maybe Oude holleweg in stage 2 and Posbank in stage3. Both 4th category of course but at least they can hand out the mountain jersey then.

Well, the profile looks completely flat apart from a tiny bump that is too far away to be de oude holleweg, besides, they don't seem to enter Nijmegen from the right side to climb it.

 

[Red Rick]

Btw, Dumoulin should 100% race this and pray for snow

 

[May0maniac]

The MTT should feature about 750m of altitude gain, we shouldn't get huge gaps, but I still fear that it could kill the action on stage 14.
The best case scenario would be something like the 2007 Briançon stage, that was a great stage, even if the next stage was an Oropa MTT.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Btw, Dumoulin should 100% race this and pray for snow

Thought the same.

 

[Eshnar]

Here's the Corvara stage as I understood it from the profile

The other stages are quite difficult to understand, So I won't try and just wait for Monday...