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Giro d'Italia 2017 rumours - Il Centesimo

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A stage to Oropa may not be bad. If they have a similar stage to 2014, then yes, the first 150km or so will be flat, but then we'll enter mountainous terrain. Noveis-Bielmonte-Oropa, whilst unoriginal, may be interesting, especially if the previous stage is flat, the next stage is 'medium-mountain' and then a rest day. No other real opportunity to gain time (except for Bergamo Alta, but how much can you gain there? At most 15-20 seconds) in this part of the race means attacks will be likely. Plus, remember Oropa is 12.4km at 6.2%, but has sections at 12%. Yes, not steep, but sustained. If the stage is a long stage, ca. 230km, I'd love to see it.
 
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Nirvana said:
I read that they won't use Valcava, only the last three climbs of Lombardia (and i think the Bergamo Alta hill), i fear that before we'll have a lot of flat if they start near Biella.
Probably one of the worst second week weekend :rolleyes:
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Okay thats just an incredibly stupid decision by the organizers. The Lombardia finale won't cause any action in a gt.
 
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OP updated with type of stage specified in brackets.

1 Alghero - Olbia [flat] *****
2 Olbia - Tormoli' [hilly-sh] *****
3 Tormoli' - Cagliari [flat] *****
rest
4 Cefalu' - Etna [MTF] ****
5 Pedara - Messina [flat/hilly] ****
6 ??? - Terme Luigiane [flat/hilly] ***
7 Terme Luigiane - Alberobello [flat] ****
8 Molfetta - Peschici [sterrato?] ****
9 Somewhere in Molise - Blockhaus?Terminillo?Gran Sasso? [MTF] ***
rest
10 Foligno - Montefalco [ITT] ***
11 Gualdo Tadino - Bagno di Romagna [hilly] ****
12 Forli' - Reggio Emilia [flat] ****
13 Reggio Emilia? - Tortona [flat/hilly] ****
14 Castellania - Oropa [MTF] ****
15 Andorno - Bergamo [hilly] ****
rest
16 Rovetta - Bormio [Mountain] ****
17 Tirano - Canazei [hilly/flat] ****
18 Moena - Ortisei [MTF] ****
19 Selva di Valgardena - Piancavallo [MTF] ****
20 Pordenone - Asiago [Mountain] ****
21 Venezia or Milano [ITT] ***
 
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It looks better and better!

So happy Mount Etna is in. Sure there are tougher mountains out there but the scenery and the beauty should count for something as well :)


Concerning the ITT to Montefalco - is it more or less flat? Or could it be slightly hilly?

Giro 2017 is probably not going to attract the best sprinters. The amount of pure sprintstages seems quite limited. Instead a paradise for hilly-specialists.
 
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It looks better and better!

So happy Mount Etna is in. Sure there are tougher mountains out there but the scenery and the beauty should count for something as well :)


Concerning the ITT to Montefalco - is it more or less flat? Or could it be slightly hilly?

Giro 2017 is probably not going to attract the best sprinters. The amount of pure sprintstages seems quite limited. Instead a paradise for hilly-specialists.
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Foligno and Montefalco are very close together, so it can be whatever. Montefalco is up a little hill, so at the very least there will be that. I dream of something close to Saltara 2013 :eek:
 
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My main concern is that many of the MTF stages could be few on mountains before the MTF itself. Piancavallo, Etna, Blockhaus and Oropa could all (in a worst case scenario) be the single mountain of the day in their respective stages. Of course the appenine stage may opt for Terminillo or Campo Imperatore but still.

The presentation of the forbidden tour will serve as a nice appetizer for the 25th of october - however looking a lot more forward to the Giro :)
 
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Nothing is gonna happen on the etna though. Contador in his prime could do it yea, but no one will go to the giro being that good.
 
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At this point the first week is the only one with a balanced route with two easy stages in Puglia, two hilly in Messina and Therme Luigiane and two proper mountain with Etna and Blockhaus.

After these changes in the first week i still hope that we could see also some changes in the other two. But in the second week a proper mountain stage seems impossible, the Bagno di Romagna stage could be very hilly but there aren't big climbs in the area, the stages to Reggio Emilia and Tortona could feature some hills but i think will be sprinters stages, Oropa seems to be the only climb of the day and it's pretty easy and you can't consider a mountains stage the Lombardia like one. On the other hand in the third week seems almost impossible a non-mountain stage, the only possibility is the suggested Canazei stage using only the valleys but will be a joke such design.
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The stage to Peschici could have sterrato, so it would not be that easy.
Also around Bagno di Romagna there are climbs such as Monte Fumaiolo, Monte Camaldoli, Passo della Calla and Passo dei Mandrioli, that if used would make it the hardest stage of the week, potentially much more dangerous than Oropa and Bergamo.
Canazei will have just valleys. I refuse to think they're gonna put 7 mountain stages in a row.
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I don't think that eventual flat sterrato sectors in Puglia put on the middle of the stage could make some difference, could be more interesting if they put some climb on the Gargano, but it's in the first week.

For the stage to Bagno with Monte Camaldoli i imagine you mean Passo Fangacci from SP124 dell'Eremo (the Eremo di Camaldoli), using this climb you rule out Fumaiolo because you need to go north through Casentino and after the climb there is a short descent to Badia Prataglia then you take Passo dei Mandrioli at 5 km to the top and the descent to Bagno, Passo della Calla IMHO it's too far north if the start is in Perugia and another risk is to have a lot of flat in the Tevere valley in the first part of the stage going north.

Probably will be better if they don't include Tuscany and they go to east in Marche, not far from Perugia you have interesting climbs like Monte Cucco, Monte Catria, Monte Nerone and Monte Petrano to make some action in the first half of the stage and the final two climb could be Passo della Cantoniera and Monte Fumaiolo.
 
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I don't think that eventual flat sterrato sectors in Puglia put on the middle of the stage could make some difference, could be more interesting if they put some climb on the Gargano, but it's in the first week.

For the stage to Bagno with Monte Camaldoli i imagine you mean Passo Fangacci from SP124 dell'Eremo (the Eremo di Camaldoli), using this climb you rule out Fumaiolo because you need to go north through Casentino and after the climb there is a short descent to Badia Prataglia then you take Passo dei Mandrioli at 5 km to the top and the descent to Bagno, Passo della Calla IMHO it's too far north if the start is in Perugia and another risk is to have a lot of flat in the Tevere valley in the first part of the stage going north.

Probably will be better if they don't include Tuscany and they go to east in Marche, not far from Perugia you have interesting climbs like Monte Cucco, Monte Catria, Monte Nerone and Monte Petrano to make some action in the first half of the stage and the final two climb could be Passo della Cantoniera and Monte Fumaiolo.
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There is sterrato on the Gargano as well...

I did mean Monte Camaldoli. Starts from Pratovecchio and connetcs quite well with the Mandrioli. Passo Fangacci shares the same road and connects better, but I do not think the road is in decent state.

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Ofc I did not mean to include all 4. That would make for 6000m of climbing. I just pointed out there are very good climbs there.
 
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Nirvana said:
I don't think that eventual flat sterrato sectors in Puglia put on the middle of the stage could make some difference, could be more interesting if they put some climb on the Gargano, but it's in the first week.

For the stage to Bagno with Monte Camaldoli i imagine you mean Passo Fangacci from SP124 dell'Eremo (the Eremo di Camaldoli), using this climb you rule out Fumaiolo because you need to go north through Casentino and after the climb there is a short descent to Badia Prataglia then you take Passo dei Mandrioli at 5 km to the top and the descent to Bagno, Passo della Calla IMHO it's too far north if the start is in Perugia and another risk is to have a lot of flat in the Tevere valley in the first part of the stage going north.

Probably will be better if they don't include Tuscany and they go to east in Marche, not far from Perugia you have interesting climbs like Monte Cucco, Monte Catria, Monte Nerone and Monte Petrano to make some action in the first half of the stage and the final two climb could be Passo della Cantoniera and Monte Fumaiolo.
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There is sterrato on the Gargano as well...

I did mean Monte Camaldoli. Starts from Pratovecchio and connetcs quite well with the Mandrioli. Passo Fangacci shares the same road and connects better, but I do not think the road is in decent state.

CamaldoliW.gif


Ofc I did not mean to include all 4. That would make for 6000m of climbing. I just pointed out there are very good climbs there.
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The topnym Monte Camaldoli doesn't exist, probably it's a mistake of cyclingcols, there is only the Eremo di Camaldoli and the little town of Camaldoli with the hononymous Monastero.

That's the profile of Passo Fangacci, if you didn't want to use the descent to Badia Prataglia you need to turn before the Eremo (where the SP72 connects with SP124 dell'Eremo) and take the descent to Poppi but is circa 2 kms shorter (you finish the climb at around 1.100 metres).
 
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Miburo said:
Nothing is gonna happen on the etna though. Contador in his prime could do it yea, but no one will go to the giro being that good.
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Not in a headwind, no. But under normal circumstances? Some guys will lose time. Basically little harder Terminillo, no?
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Rather a little easier. The climb has a very high altitude difference but the gradients aren't very serious.
As a comparison:
Etna, Terminillo

Still a very hard climb for the 4th day of a gt, and time gaps are definitely possible.
 
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