Giro d'Italia 2018 stage 15: Tolmezzo – Sappada 176 km

[movingtarget]

Haig is riding so well for Michelton as are his team mates. White must be very happy with the team performance.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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No way Tom will get pink on tuesday now. Yates will probably even win that stage.

Nah, he won't, it's still a flat time trial and aero+watts are more important. Today it showed in the graphic again, Dumoulin was pulling more absolute watts (but is heavily weighed down), and he's more aerodynamic in TT position. So that will be impossible. But I can see Yates limiting the damage to less than 45 seconds

 

[Hugo Koblet]

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Apart from Pinot I think the guys in the 2nd group really rode like losers. Dumo not so much intent but he also needs to ride with his emotions in check, I thought he was his own worse enemy in a lot of ways today.

What did Pinot do differently than the other riders?

...he worked . Only he and Dumoulin took turns. Geez, Pinot even led the chase in the descent...he did his part. Pozzo when Dumo was dropped, then went back in the wheels, the other two didn't do squat,

Pozzovivo did at least as much work as Pinot. And Pozzovivo took turns when Dumoulin was dropped as well.

LOL, Pozzo did f*ck all apart from when Dumoulin was dropped.

Pozzovivo did a lot of work actually. Mindless, but he did. I don't know what's going through his mind if anything, but I guess it's something along the line of "Rider attack. Me catch him". You get the feeling that he would do anything you tell him. "Pozzovivo, go get me a bottle of water". "Sure boss".

 

[jaylew]

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Pinot correctly pointing out the lack of work by Carapaz and Lopez as key to that group not catching Yates.

If you're Dumoulin or Pinot you shouldn't be giving a **** about what Carapaz and Lopez are doing. They are effectively 5+ minutes behind, given the TT to come. If they sit on and jump off into the distance with 2km to go, who cares? Froome and Dumoulin should take responsibility themselves and race against Froome and Yates.

This. Carapaz and Lopez are 2 minutes behind the podium battle. Pinot and Pozzo should have just ignored their fight for white and just worked together to keep Dumo distanced.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

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Pinot correctly pointing out the lack of work by Carapaz and Lopez as key to that group not catching Yates.

If you're Dumoulin or Pinot you shouldn't be giving a **** about what Carapaz and Lopez are doing. They are effectively 5+ minutes behind, given the TT to come. If they sit on and jump off into the distance with 2km to go, who cares? Froome and Dumoulin should take responsibility themselves and race against Froome and Yates.

This I do agree with to a degree, dumo in particular today was far too worried about others intent then his own race. Hes a rider who likes to ride with principles and we've seen a few times in the past that he can get annoyed when other riders don't do what he perceived as right.

 

[HelloDolly]

People giving out about Pozo & Pinit should stop and think they are targetting the podium and not the win

So getting Tom to ride was their tactics as well as keeping each other in sight ...makes sense to me if you want the podium and are not strong enough to win

 

[Breh]

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Pozzovino, Carapaz, Miquel Angel lost a good chance to consolidate their top 10

How? I think their top10 is pretty much secure by now.
And Pozzovino is yet another horrible nickname, maybe even worse than Crushweak.

 

[SlickMongoose]

Why do cycling news even bother having a seperate clinic section, with all the obvious doping accusatons in here?

 

[DanielSong39]

What's next for Yates? Podium in the ITT?

If Dumoulin or Dennis are in form there's no way Simon Yates wins, but I think he can gain further time on Chris Froome and even more time on the rest.

 

[Bot. Sky_Bot]

What to say, the Brit will win it overall, great!

 

[Der Effe]

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Apart from Pinot I think the guys in the 2nd group really rode like losers. Dumo not so much intent but he also needs to ride with his emotions in check, I thought he was his own worse enemy in a lot of ways today.

What did Pinot do differently than the other riders?

...he worked . Only he and Dumoulin took turns. Geez, Pinot even led the chase in the descent...he did his part. Pozzo when Dumo was dropped, then went back in the wheels, the other two didn't do squat,

Pozzovivo did at least as much work as Pinot. And Pozzovivo took turns when Dumoulin was dropped as well.

LOL, Pozzo did f*ck all apart from when Dumoulin was dropped.

Pozzovivo did a lot of work actually. Mindless, but he did. I don't know what's going through his mind if anything, but I guess it's something along the line of "Rider attack. Me catch him". You get the feeling that he would do anything you tell him. "Pozzovivo, go get me a bottle of water". "Sure boss".[/quote]

Then I must be going senile, because I only saw Pinot doing pulls every now and then. But then again, it was stupid racing from the chasers nonetheless

 

[movingtarget]

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No way Tom will get pink on tuesday now. Yates will probably even win that stage.

Nah, he won't, it's still a flat time trial and aero+watts are more important. Today it showed in the graphic again, Dumoulin was pulling more absolute watts (but is heavily weighed down), and he's more aerodynamic in TT position. So that will be impossible. But I can see Yates limiting the damage to less than 45 seconds

As impressive as Yates was I don't see him losing less than a minute to Dumoulin probably closer to 90 seconds. The TT is very different to any other stage.

 

[red_flanders]

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Pinot correctly pointing out the lack of work by Carapaz and Lopez as key to that group not catching Yates.

If you're Dumoulin or Pinot you shouldn't be giving a **** about what Carapaz and Lopez are doing. They are effectively 5+ minutes behind, given the TT to come. If they sit on and jump off into the distance with 2km to go, who cares? Froome and Dumoulin should take responsibility themselves and race against Froome and Yates.

Dumoulin pulled until he was shot and then they jumped him. Don't see a problem with his ride. Clearly he gave all he had and the others sat in. What people "should" do is very strongly influenced by how strong they are, or aren't.

It remains a fact that the group lost most of its time due to lack of co-operation.

 

[movingtarget]

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Haig is riding so well for Michelton as are his team mates. White must be very happy with the team performance.

We need you in the clinic.

The clinic depresses me. I only visit there when I am really bored..........

 

[DFA123]

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Pinot correctly pointing out the lack of work by Carapaz and Lopez as key to that group not catching Yates.

If you're Dumoulin or Pinot you shouldn't be giving a **** about what Carapaz and Lopez are doing. They are effectively 5+ minutes behind, given the TT to come. If they sit on and jump off into the distance with 2km to go, who cares? Froome and Dumoulin should take responsibility themselves and race against Froome and Yates.

Dumoulin pulled until he was shot and then they jumped him. Don't see a problem with his ride. Clearly he gave all he had and the others sat in. What people "should" do is very strongly influenced by how strong they are, or aren't.

It remains a fact that the group lost most of its time due to lack of co-operation.

Iagree that the group lost most of their time at the start of the final climb, when they were messing around gesturing to each other about who was going to work. That was when Dumoulin should have gone to the front and giving a pull for a km, trying to keep the gap down and showing good intent.

Trying to co-erce Lopez or Carapaz into saving the Giro for you, while Yates increases his gap up the road, is just lame.

 

[Bot. Sky_Bot]

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Haig is riding so well for Michelton as are his team mates. White must be very happy with the team performance.

We need you in the clinic.

The same as yestreday.

 

[Bardamu]

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Pinot correctly pointing out the lack of work by Carapaz and Lopez as key to that group not catching Yates.

If you're Dumoulin or Pinot you shouldn't be giving a **** about what Carapaz and Lopez are doing. They are effectively 5+ minutes behind, given the TT to come. If they sit on and jump off into the distance with 2km to go, who cares? Froome and Dumoulin should take responsibility themselves and race against Froome and Yates.

This I do agree with to a degree, dumo in particular today was far too worried about others intent then his own race. Hes a rider who likes to ride with principles and we've seen a few times in the past that he can get annoyed when other riders don't do what he perceived as right.

The thing is, if he would have led the descent himself they would have co-operated and they would have closed the gap. Yates perhaps still would have won on the uphill finish, but now he was gifting Yates 30ish seconds which weren't necessary. But I guess that he was completely spent at the top of the Costalissoio, otherwise there's no excuse.

 

[movingtarget]

Re: Re:

Pinot correctly pointing out the lack of work by Carapaz and Lopez as key to that group not catching Yates.

If you're Dumoulin or Pinot you shouldn't be giving a **** about what Carapaz and Lopez are doing. They are effectively 5+ minutes behind, given the TT to come. If they sit on and jump off into the distance with 2km to go, who cares? Froome and Dumoulin should take responsibility themselves and race against Froome and Yates.

Dumoulin pulled until he was shot and then they jumped him. Don't see a problem with his ride. Clearly he gave all he had and the others sat in. What people "should" do is very strongly influenced by how strong they are, or aren't.

It remains a fact that the group lost most of its time due to lack of co-operation.

Iagree that the group lost most of their time at the start of the final climb, when they were messing around gesturing to each other about who was going to work. That was when Dumoulin should have gone to the front and giving a pull for a km, trying to keep the gap down and showing good intent.

Trying to co-erce Lopez or Carapaz into saving the Giro for you, while Yates increases his gap up the road, is just lame.

What is worse, is dropping Dumoulin and letting him come back.........Pozzo and Pinot have done this sort of thing before.

 

[DanielSong39]

They weren't catching Yates and it's time to ride tactically for second place.

Can't blame them, really.

 

[HelloDolly]

I am wondering if we are seeing the beginning of the end of Froome

we saw Contador have a great day followed by a poor day at the end

 

[yaco]

Thought Froome's performance yesterday was an outlier - The tifosi will love Yates with his attacking riding - Win, Lose or Draw, Yates has made the Giro a great spectacle.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

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Pinot correctly pointing out the lack of work by Carapaz and Lopez as key to that group not catching Yates.

If you're Dumoulin or Pinot you shouldn't be giving a **** about what Carapaz and Lopez are doing. They are effectively 5+ minutes behind, given the TT to come. If they sit on and jump off into the distance with 2km to go, who cares? Froome and Dumoulin should take responsibility themselves and race against Froome and Yates.

This I do agree with to a degree, dumo in particular today was far too worried about others intent then his own race. Hes a rider who likes to ride with principles and we've seen a few times in the past that he can get annoyed when other riders don't do what he perceived as right.

The thing is, if he would have led the descent himself they would have co-operated and they would have closed the gap. Yates perhaps still would have won on the uphill finish, but now he was gifting Yates 30ish seconds which weren't necessary. But I guess that he was completely spent at the top of the Costalissoio, otherwise there's no excuse.

Yeah I'm pretty sure he would have just ridden his own pace if he had the petrol to do so. He has form in this area. I think he was out of gas and probably took his frustration out on the others tactics.

Obviously I'm a fan of Tom, but he probably needs to understand that riders don't always have the same goals as him. I think letting his emotions get the better of him only made him ride worse.

 

[Bot. Sky_Bot]

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I am wondering if we are seeing the beginning of the end of Froome

we saw Contador have a great day followed by a poor day at the end

Yes, probably. But we (Sky fans) have Bernal coming..

 

[movingtarget]

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I am wondering if we are seeing the beginning of the end of Froome

we saw Contador have a great day followed by a poor day at the end

I don't think he recovered from yesterday and he has been up and down throughout the race but yes he is not the same rider as in the 2013-2016 years. I think the first week put him on the back foot and the Giro style of racing is different to the Tour plus he doesn't have his A team with him which has been noticeable.

 

[Bolder]

Yates the obvious star today, and (from what I saw) Pinot/Pozzo were the losers. I do think Dumoulin was cooked when they gapped him. Had Pinot/Pozzo just rode steadily instead of continually yapping/looking at Carapaz/MAL, they could have taken 30 seconds off him, and cut Yates's advantage. Pinot (of whom I'm a fan) looked like he was wasting a lot of energy that could have been better spent going forward in pursuit of Yates or distancing Dumoulin...he could have ridden himself into second place today...still, great stage all around!

It's probably a little early to bury Froome and Aru, but they sure looked like riders whose time has passed.