Giro d'Italia 2018 stage 19: Venaria Reale – Jafferau 184km

[46&twoWheels]

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Somebody in France is a bit jealous that Froome had the best race of his life at the Giro

 

[railxmig]

Re: Giro d'Italia 2018 stage 19: Venaria Reale – Jafferau 18

About Schleck's ride. Yes, it was roughly 60km which included the Sierre Chevalier valley before Galibier. However, for the majority of time he had help from Fuglsang, who was in the breakaway and being protected by (i think) Monfort. it was mainly a team effort with Schleck riding solo only Galibier. However, i think Evans rode on the front for the majority of said 60km and managed to cut the loses to just over 2min from over 4min. Next day it was a similar scenario with Contador throwing a kitchen sink and Evans having a technical on Telegraphe. Evans did a similar job on Telegraphe and Galibier towing himself back to Contador and Schleck, who of course was checking out his brother's whereabouts. I'm wiritng this for memory, so i might have some details wrong, but i hope it will be helpfull.

 

[Alexandre B.]

Re: Giro d'Italia 2018 stage 19: Venaria Reale – Jafferau 18

About Schleck's ride. Yes, it was roughly 60km which included the Sierre Chevalier valley before Galibier. However, for the majority of time he had help from Fuglsang, who was in the breakaway and being protected by (i think) Monfort. it was mainly a team effort with Schleck riding solo only Galibier. However, i think Evans rode on the front for the majority of said 60km and managed to cut the loses to just over 2min from over 4min. Next day it was a similar scenario with Contador throwing a kitchen sink and Evans having a technical on Telegraphe. Evans did a similar job on Telegraphe and Galibier towing himself back to Contador and Schleck, who of course was checking out his brother's whereabouts. I'm wiritng this for memory, so i might have some details wrong, but i hope it will be helpfull.

Posthuma and Monfort were up the road.

Monfort rode in the descent and the valley, together with Devenyns (Quick-Step).

 

[Frankschleck]

Re: Giro d'Italia 2018 stage 19: Venaria Reale – Jafferau 18

About Schleck's ride. Yes, it was roughly 60km which included the Sierre Chevalier valley before Galibier. However, for the majority of time he had help from Fuglsang, who was in the breakaway and being protected by (i think) Monfort. it was mainly a team effort with Schleck riding solo only Galibier. However, i think Evans rode on the front for the majority of said 60km and managed to cut the loses to just over 2min from over 4min. Next day it was a similar scenario with Contador throwing a kitchen sink and Evans having a technical on Telegraphe. Evans did a similar job on Telegraphe and Galibier towing himself back to Contador and Schleck, who of course was checking out his brother's whereabouts. I'm wiritng this for memory, so i might have some details wrong, but i hope it will be helpfull.

Posthuma and Monfort were up the road.

Monfort rode in the descent and the valley, together with Devenyns (Quick-Step).

Back when monfort was the ***. Finished 6th in the vuleta that year.

 

[carton]

BTW, this has to be the most legit fight for white I can remember. Two guys within earshot of the podium winning stages and attacking each other over and over again from the favourite's group?

 

[armchairclimber]

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Still, this whenever we get a stage profile like this, it's full of posts on the morning of the stage with fans fantasising along the lines of "(INSERT FAVE RIDER NAME HERE) to launch a suicidal attack 90km out". Well, today someone did. If you can't enjoy watching that, you're following the wrong sport.

I feel like I'm repeating myself here. It was not just the fact that it was Froome who launched that 80+ K attack which made me unable to enjoy the stage, it was the fact that Yates, a guy a sympathies with very much, cracked and had to watch all GC aspirations sail away in the distance.
I guess part of me just have this weird tendency to prefer guys who've never won big races, in this case GTs, over guys who have plenty of wins already. Which means I honestly don't know what I would've done if it had been any of the other guys in the top-10-as-it-was-before-the stage (Froome and Dumoulin being the only ones who've won GTs before) who'd launched the attack, I might have literally split into two different people...
Two RedheadDanes, now there's a scary thought!

Deffo not aimed at you ... and I like Yates a lot, so seeing his dreams die like that was indeed hard.

 

[loge1884]

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this must have been one of the most epic stages I've ever seen (and I keep watching cycling since late 70s) .... on par with Andy Schleck's Galibier 2011 (the real drama in that stage was Cadel's struggle to limit the time, with a disgraceful wheelsucking of maillot jaune Thomas Voeckler) ...

What? Dude tried to bridge to Contador & Andy on his own for an hour, and his teammates brought him back to the group before Alpe. He had limited coverage on Alpe but I recall him being front of his group (and sticking his tongue out) in most of the shots.

not sure we are talking about the same stage .... the one I mean, Andy was alone riding up Galibier, Evans and Voeckler (in maillot jaune then) and a few others were the followers ... Evans was alone, Voeckler had Rolland, who was willing to take his share of leading, when Voeckler directed him not to, so Evans did all the pacing and in the end Frank Schleck (who didn't have to lead, as his brother and teammate was upfront) and Voeckler attacked to gain a few seconds .... there's an unwritten but valid rule, the maillot jaune should direct the chase of someone who is a threat to the GC and Voeckler did not adhere to it .... I remember Voeckler as a fine baroudeur (a guy who makes most out of lacking talent) but also for that disgraceful showing ....

 

[yaco]

Dumoulin must be frustrated - Had Yates skipping up climbs like Pantano and then Froome rides a stage like rarely seen in the history of cycling.

 

[Carols]

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It's difficult to enjoy something when you feel the game is rigged and that the rider in question was only allowed to participate because he hired an army of lawyers to stall a possible suspension. Don't you go telling me what I should enjoy - thank you.

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[burning]

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this must have been one of the most epic stages I've ever seen (and I keep watching cycling since late 70s) .... on par with Andy Schleck's Galibier 2011 (the real drama in that stage was Cadel's struggle to limit the time, with a disgraceful wheelsucking of maillot jaune Thomas Voeckler) ...

What? Dude tried to bridge to Contador & Andy on his own for an hour, and his teammates brought him back to the group before Alpe. He had limited coverage on Alpe but I recall him being front of his group (and sticking his tongue out) in most of the shots.

not sure we are talking about the same stage .... the one I mean, Andy was alone riding up Galibier, Evans and Voeckler (in maillot jaune then) and a few others were the followers ... Evans was alone, Voeckler had Rolland, who was willing to take his share of leading, when Voeckler directed him not to, so Evans did all the pacing and in the end Frank Schleck (who didn't have to lead, as his brother and teammate was upfront) and Voeckler attacked to gain a few seconds .... there's an unwritten but valid rule, the maillot jaune should direct the chase of someone who is a threat to the GC and Voeckler did not adhere to it .... I remember Voeckler as a fine baroudeur (a guy who makes most out of lacking talent) but also for that disgraceful showing ....

Ah, you are right, my bad. Voeckler was definitely dead in the Galibier stage though and he did not attack at all. When Rolland upped the pace 400-500m to go, he couldn't follow him and crawled to the finish.

 

[Gigs_98]

Re: Giro d'Italia 2018 stage 19: Venaria Reale – Jafferau 18

I just realized this is the third time in a row the leader of the giro changes on stage 19. interestingly the two previous times the rider who took the lead on that stage couldn't keep it... :twisted:

 

[Fork-in-the-Road]

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Finestre isn't the place where new breakaways ride away.

Chaves, Haig and Nieve should be enough up there.

Wait, what?

 

[Pantani_lives]

I expected Froome to play all or nothing today, but I thought he would send Poels ahead and then jump to him. I didn't expect 80 km solo. The most surprising thing is that he kept gaining time on the flat and in the descents over the whole distance.

 

[rghysens]

Re: Giro d'Italia 2018 stage 19: Venaria Reale – Jafferau 18

I just realized this is the third time in a row the leader of the giro changes on stage 19. interestingly the two previous times the rider who took the lead on that stage couldn't keep it... :twisted:

Yeah, and the two previous times the Giro finished in Prato Nevoso the winner of that stage became the eventual GC winner. So, Schachmann will destroy the conpetition tomorrow and take over pink.

 

[Pricey_sky]

I think most of us who admitted we couldn’t watch the stage today were gutted because we knew we were going to miss something big, but I didn’t think it would be this big!

Can’t wait to catch up on the stage later, but my first reaction is I feel extremely sorry for Simon Yates.

 

[dutchdescent]

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I think most of us who admitted we couldn’t watch the stage today were gutted because we knew we were going to miss something big, but I didn’t think it would be this big!

Can’t wait to catch up on the stage later, but my first reaction is I feel extremely sorry for Simon Yates.

anywhere we can get the whole race from beginning broadcast to end?

 

[Flamin]

Just looking at the first images after following the stage via the forum and a ticker, I think I'm not too disappointed I couldn't see the stage myself. Watching 2 and a half hours of coverage starring Froomey riding a bike must have been a real pain to the eyes, no?

 

[dfromdub]

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I think most of us who admitted we couldn’t watch the stage today were gutted because we knew we were going to miss something big, but I didn’t think it would be this big!

Can’t wait to catch up on the stage later, but my first reaction is I feel extremely sorry for Simon Yates.

anywhere we can get the whole race from beginning broadcast to end?

Tiz usually posts the whole stages but it is not there yet.
The eurosport version is already on cycling related torrent sites

 

[jsem94]

WTF did I just watch?

 

[Hugo Koblet]

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Still, this whenever we get a stage profile like this, it's full of posts on the morning of the stage with fans fantasising along the lines of "(INSERT FAVE RIDER NAME HERE) to launch a suicidal attack 90km out". Well, today someone did. If you can't enjoy watching that, you're following the wrong sport.

I feel like I'm repeating myself here. It was not just the fact that it was Froome who launched that 80+ K attack which made me unable to enjoy the stage, it was the fact that Yates, a guy a sympathies with very much, cracked and had to watch all GC aspirations sail away in the distance.
I guess part of me just have this weird tendency to prefer guys who've never won big races, in this case GTs, over guys who have plenty of wins already. Which means I honestly don't know what I would've done if it had been any of the other guys in the top-10-as-it-was-before-the stage (Froome and Dumoulin being the only ones who've won GTs before) who'd launched the attack, I might have literally split into two different people...
Two RedheadDanes, now there's a scary thought!

What does it matter that it's Froome? I couldn't care less if it was Froome, Contador, Leipheimer or Landis. This was as entertaining as we'll ever get, and that's why I watch cycling, to be entertained.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

One of the most entertaining and most ridiculous things I’ve ever seen in a Grand Tour

 

[PremierAndrew]

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I'm going to sign of CN for a while and enjoy the stage. But really impressed by Dumoulin. Think he's fine letting Froome go now. No need to burn any more candles a tthis point.

famous last words

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Yeah it was a fantastic ride by Froome but there's just too much stuff around him for me to enjoy that. I'd like it more if it was Pozzovivo or something

 

[Revealer]

This was indeed an epic stage, Froome took an all or nothing gamble and had the luck that all the pieces in the puzzle fell in the right place for him.

Yates blowing up early on the Finestre, the only teammate for any of the chasers left was at a small distance behind so it somehow made sense to wait for him, Lopez somehow in the chasers group on the top of the Finestre, the fact that the chasers waited for Reichenbach on the descent and instead of having less than one minute advantage at the bottom it crept towards two minutes so the ones fighting for the white jersey and almost out of the fight for the podium didn't have the stage victory as an incentive to contribute to the chase.

If Lopez wasn't with Dumoulin, Pinot and Carapaz over the Finestre then everyone in that trio would have an incentive to chase (Dumoulin for pink, Pinot for podium and Carapaz for white) and if behind Froome there was a concerted chase no way that the gap would go towards three minutes. Most likely if the gap would've been 1 minute at the bottom of Sestriere Froome would've sat up and gave another dig on the Jafferau for the podium spot and the stage win.

 

[Old&slow]

If Froome holds on tomorrow he won this race thanks to his descent on the Finestre. His descending skills today put him in the lead. In an era where GC riders the last 15 years have been one trick ponies with little all around skills he is a throwback He wins not just because of the watts he puts put but because he is complete bike rider with great instincts and skill.

The landis 2006 stage was the best GC stage I have ever seen. I think today tops that. Hopefully today turns out a bit better for Froome and cycling than the 2006 Landis ride.