Giro d'Italia 2018: Stage 20: Susa - Cervinia, 214 KM

[Hayabusa]

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Classless by Sky there.

If 'there' refers to the past 7 years then I agree.

Seriously? I get that you don't like the team but to refer to Sky as classless is a bit much... Their success deserves a bit of respect no?

Certain Sky riders like Nieve Landa Kwaitowski get respect here just not everybody else. I can't recall any other fan favorites but there's probably a few I forgot. Flecha.

And that's completely fine, but a post referring to the entire team as being classless for 7 years is just sour grapes.

 

[TMP402]

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Very good and brave Tom but Froome is in a completely other league.

Yeah, he's a world class GT rider.

Yep. He's head and shoulders above the rest in this race. You have to think if an on-form Nibali, Landa or Quintana would have been in this race, they would have put him out of contention in the first week, and never let him get a gap like he did on Finestre.

LOL! Froome would have buried Nibali, Quintana, and Landa on yesterday's stage 19, same as everyone else. Those 3 could have all been riding together and still would not have been able to do a thing about it with 80km to go.

Maybe he would have won yesterday's stage. But he might have been 7 minutes down if he was up against a big champion.

 

[jaylew]

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So barring any accidents tomorrow Froome will be the current winner of all 3 GTs.. let that sink in...

Not for long...

I thought results were guaranteed pre-race?

Lappartient confirmed that that is not the case. And the Vuelta is obviously not confirmed.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Why is it classless?? Are u guys just mad?

Classless is Nibali attacking when Froome had a mechanical.
Classless is when everyone attacked Dumoulin during 'poo gate' last year.

You'd call outsprinting your main rival who's been selflessly working for a teammate, for no reason other than to shove your dominance in his face, a classy move?

 

[Yingge]

Tom at least tried until the very end.

 

[Stella0596]

Tom Dumoulin -- Chapeau! Great Giro ridden -- could not have done anything more, day in and day out.

Yes he could. He could have buried Froome in those first ten days, but he was riding conservatively and relying on his TT.

Lesson learned for him. If the best rider in the race is on the ropes but just about clinging on, make sure you knock him out.

Dumoulin also wasn't great in the first part of the Giro... not sure how he could've 'buried' Froome then.

 

[bill1109]

Because it's, well, Froome, they should have tried to put him further out of contention before he recovered/reached closer to peak earlier in the race. Tom's other mistake was not going a lone on two of the stages since he probably could have avoided losing as much time to Froome. Letting a guy like Froome reach peak in last week was too dangerous...easy to say from my computer though. I wish TomD could have pulled it off but losing so much yesterday was the death to winning.

 

[DFA123]

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Very good and brave Tom but Froome is in a completely other league.

Yeah, he's a world class GT rider.

Yep. He's head and shoulders above the rest in this race. You have to think if an on-form Nibali, Landa or Quintana would have been in this race, they would have put him out of contention in the first week, and never let him get a gap like he did on Finestre.

LOL! Froome would have buried Nibali, Quintana, and Landa on yesterday's stage 19, same as everyone else. Those 3 could have all been riding together and still would not have been able to do a thing about it with 80km to go.

No. Landa in 2015 climbed Finestre over a minute faster than Froome did yesterday.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

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Zero class shown by Froome and Poels there. Just highlights what they will do to win.

A racer should not try to finish a race as quickly and in as high a position as he can?
What an odd perception of competitive sport.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

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Very good and brave Tom but Froome is in a completely other league.

Yeah, he's a world class GT rider.

Yep. He's head and shoulders above the rest in this race. You have to think if an on-form Nibali, Landa or Quintana would have been in this race, they would have put him out of contention in the first week, and never let him get a gap like he did on Finestre.

LOL! Froome would have buried Nibali, Quintana, and Landa on yesterday's stage 19, same as everyone else. Those 3 could have all been riding together and still would not have been able to do a thing about it with 80km to go.

That chump is just trying to belittle dumo, shock horror.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Very good and brave Tom but Froome is in a completely other league.

Yeah, he's a world class GT rider.

Yep. He's head and shoulders above the rest in this race. You have to think if an on-form Nibali, Landa or Quintana would have been in this race, they would have put him out of contention in the first week, and never let him get a gap like he did on Finestre.

LOL! Froome would have buried Nibali, Quintana, and Landa on yesterday's stage 19, same as everyone else. Those 3 could have all been riding together and still would not have been able to do a thing about it with 80km to go.

No. Landa in 2015 climbed Finestre over a minute faster than Froome did yesterday.

Completely similar circumstances, of course.

 

[Oliwright]

Why is it classless?? Are u guys just mad?

Classless is Nibali attacking when Froome had a mechanical.
Classless is when everyone attacked Dumoulin during 'poo gate' last year.

You'd call outsprinting your main rival who's been selflessly working for a teammate, for no reason other than to shove your dominance in his face, a classy move?

It's insignificant compared to other events. Not even in the same league. It made no difference to the result.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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Froome is not sentimental. That's one reason why he's a ruthless winner

Yeah the guy literally speaks about how he spends his time thinking about how he's going to shove it to his rivals.

Also what does Pinot do now? The guy keeps disappointing, I would move on if I was FDJ.

Obviously, something was wrong with Pinot today, sickness or whatever. He's had a very high level throughout the Giro.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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So barring any accidents tomorrow Froome will be the current winner of all 3 GTs.. let that sink in...

Not for long...

July is two months to go. I don't know if you consider that a long time or not. But Froome might just win that one as well.

Or he will get stripped 2 gt and won't see him for a while, we'll see.
Indeed if rides the Tour will win that as well, 4 in a row hasn't ever been done right?

It's been done by Merckx:
Giro-Tour
Vuelta-Giro

back when Vuelta was at start of the year

 

[ice&fire]

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So barring any accidents tomorrow Froome will be the current winner of all 3 GTs.. let that sink in...

Not for long...

July is two months to go. I don't know if you consider that a long time or not. But Froome might just win that one as well.

Or he will get stripped 2 gt and won't see him for a while, we'll see.
Indeed if rides the Tour will win that as well, 4 in a row hasn't ever been done right?

Merckx 72/73

 

[dacooley]

Froome winning as always causes lots of gloating and sour grapes.

 

[Red Rick]

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So barring any accidents tomorrow Froome will be the current winner of all 3 GTs.. let that sink in...

I'd rather not

 

[Climbing]

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So barring any accidents tomorrow Froome will be the current winner of all 3 GTs.. let that sink in...

Not for long...

July is two months to go. I don't know if you consider that a long time or not. But Froome might just win that one as well.

Or he will get stripped 2 gt and won't see him for a while, we'll see.
Indeed if rides the Tour will win that as well, 4 in a row hasn't ever been done right?

It's been done by Merckx:
Giro-Tour
Vuelta-Giro

back when Vuelta was at start of the year

Oh indeed, that would give Froome 2 tied records with Merckx then.

 

[myrideissteelerthanyours]

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Classless by Sky there.

If 'there' refers to the past 7 years then I agree.

Seriously? I get that you don't like the team but to refer to Sky as classless is a bit much... Their success deserves a bit of respect no?

Certain Sky riders like Nieve Landa Kwaitowski get respect here just not everybody else. I can't recall any other fan favorites but there's probably a few I forgot. Flecha.

And that's completely fine, but a post referring to the entire team as being classless for 7 years is just sour grapes.

I say take the positives where you can find them. People may call Sky classless but much worse things have been said about unpopular riders on this forum so for me I actually feel like the discourse is relatively positive here today.

 

[Brullnux]

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Very good and brave Tom but Froome is in a completely other league.

Yeah, he's a world class GT rider.

Yep. He's head and shoulders above the rest in this race. You have to think if an on-form Nibali, Landa or Quintana would have been in this race, they would have put him out of contention in the first week, and never let him get a gap like he did on Finestre.

Dumoulin is a trier, but limited. And the others GC hopefuls are so flaky and prone to bad days, its ridiculous.

When? Not in the opening stages, on etna? Tom wasnt great. on montevergine? It's 4%. On Gran Sasso? Well, Froome lost a minute there and Dumoulin was gapped at one point. I don't see where Dumoulin could have "buried" Froome.

 

[DFA123]

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Very good and brave Tom but Froome is in a completely other league.

Yeah, he's a world class GT rider.

Yep. He's head and shoulders above the rest in this race. You have to think if an on-form Nibali, Landa or Quintana would have been in this race, they would have put him out of contention in the first week, and never let him get a gap like he did on Finestre.

LOL! Froome would have buried Nibali, Quintana, and Landa on yesterday's stage 19, same as everyone else. Those 3 could have all been riding together and still would not have been able to do a thing about it with 80km to go.

That chump is just trying to belittle dumo, shock horror.

Stop acting a child and leave out the insults. It's nothing to do with belittling Dumoulin; it's giving due credit to Froome. Who has shown why he is a level above the others in this race. He's had the most fight, the biggest cojones and could put in the performances when it matters. And, most importantly, he put on an amazing show.

This Giro is Froome's capolavoro.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Why is it classless?? Are u guys just mad?

Classless is Nibali attacking when Froome had a mechanical.
Classless is when everyone attacked Dumoulin during 'poo gate' last year.

Is racially abusing another rider and then deliberately crashing out another rider who mentioned it publicly classless too?

How about telling fellow pros that nobody should care about them, or going screaming in the face of an ex-rider following in the media for saying something you didn't like?

Or exposing other people's personal business on Twitter because they called out your fiancée getting perceived preferential treatment?

Or calling everybody who questions the narrative a bunch of four letter words - or refusing to face the media whenever there's any bad news, hiding away and then doing the Hammer Dance about how you've been there at every race so people just don't come and ask you questions?

Sky do sometimes get called out for some minor stuff, but let's not pretend there isn't a pretty long history of them, and their riders, putting their weight about a bit in the bunch, that adds to why this reputation of classless behaviour is perceived. There's a pattern there, and it does mean that the perception of little acts of ruthlessness like the sprint here, just to assert their freshness, is more negative than it might otherwise be.

 

[bigcog]

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Froome winning as always causes lots of gloating and sour grapes.

Indeed, a real bitter lake (a good film too). Par for the course.

 

[Melo]

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Zero class shown by Froome and Poels there. Just highlights what they will do to win.

A racer should not try to finish a race as quickly and in as high a position as he can?
What an odd perception of competitive sport.

On this "logic", why not finish above Poels?

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Zero class shown by Froome and Poels there. Just highlights what they will do to win.

A racer should not try to finish a race as quickly and in as high a position as he can?
What an odd perception of competitive sport.

What was the point of that sprint other than to humiliate Dumoulin?
YMMV, but for me, a champion should show class as well, just slapping everyone around the ears with your dominance doesn't do it for me.