Giro d'Italia 2020, stage 18: Pinzolo - Laghi di Cancano 207 km

[Bolder]

Except those pretensions never materialized, the TdS didn't have a climb like Stelvio and he never pulled off a performance like this in a GT.

Aside from the facts, I can see your point, sure.

The point is that as recently as last year he was seen as more than a TT specialist. Recall that he himself tried to become a a GC man, it did not work out well esp. at Bahrain, but having a single great mountain stage in a weak field is believable to me.

 

[JosefK]

The Executive Office of The Bag just called. They're a little concerned because there have been a few cancellations of reservations, and no new calls for a room (today).

 

[broppo]

Hart has this in the bag now! Maybe Dennis could wait for him in the TT and then carry his ass to the finish, like he did today, I don't think Hart was that strong tbh.

 

[bajbar]

Wrong thread haha

 

[Leinster]

Maybe it's even to TGH's advantage to have Kelderman in pink so that Sunweb have difficult decisions to make.

They showed today what their "difficult decision" will be. They'll follow whoever is a GC threat, and won't wait for anyone.

 

[Vesica]

^^ great. thanks for that spoiler. using the wrong thread. grr

 

[SafeBet]

Most disappointing performance of the day belongs to Paret-Peintre, who finished the stage in 18th, putting a sad end to his streak of stages outside the top20.

 

[jmdirt]

So the big Q is: how much did this take out of the top 3 on GC (especially Kelderman)?

 

[Northerner]

They showed today what their "difficult decision" will be. They'll follow whoever is a GC threat, and won't wait for anyone.

Hindley will not win by following, he needs to take time on Hart on Saturday. If they ride for Kelderman by the time he drops it might be too late for Hindley to do anything.

 

[woodburn]

Hart was riding that last climb at 80% and constantly was talking to Hindley, I mean what does he expect Hindley to do. Hart is definitely the loser of the day despite being maybe the strongest rider.

Did Hart ever make one attack on the last climb or did he make tempo the whole way? Seems he was on limit and didn't have much more to give.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

So, if Kelderman paced himself better than Hart & Hindley and was riding with some reserves, he could still prove the favorite with the ITT. Who knows, maybe Hart will pay a price the following days.

 

[broppo]

Kelderman is still the favourite with the bookies at 1.85 payout and Hart is x 3 and Hindley x 4.5.

 

[Leinster]

Hindley will not win by following, he needs to take time on Hart on Saturday. If they ride for Kelderman by the time he drops it might be too late for Hindley to do anything.

The decision will be made well before that. I'd expect Sunweb to drill it on the first couple of times up Sestrieres to isolate TGH. I'm not sure Tao has the legs to drop Kelderman on his own, and if he does put that effort in he will be properly setting up Hindley.

 

[Leinster]

Did Hart ever make one attack on the last climb or did he make tempo the whole way? Seems he was on limit and didn't have much more to give.

He didn't attack, but he was definitely not riding it at a steady tempo, just trying to make it hard for Hindley to get into a rhythm on his wheel. It was only in the final 5km that he kind of got the head down.

 

[SafeBet]

The decision will be made well before that. I'd expect Sunweb to drill it on the first couple of times up Sestrieres to isolate TGH. I'm not sure Tao has the legs to drop Kelderman on his own, and if he does put that effort in he will be properly setting up Hindley.

Good luck dropping Ganna, Dennis and Castroviejo on those slopes.

I actually think it might be Ineos dropping the hammer down early.

 

[hrotha]

Sunweb strikes me as the kind of team to avoid making a decision at all costs.

Granted, this might be only because they're Dutch.

 

[solo80k]

Suddenly Ineos has a chance to completely dominate GT this year with GC, winning lots of stages and multiple podium places.

 

[l.Harm]

Sunweb strikes me as the kind of team to avoid making a decision at all costs.

Granted, this might be only because they're Dutch.

Letting Hindley follow Hart is a decision right?

 

[hrotha]

Letting Hindley follow Hart is a decision right?

Or was it not making a decision to have Hindley wait for Kelderman? The world will never know.

 

[Max Rockatansky]

I actually think it might be Ineos dropping the hammer down early.

I found a first teaser for Ganna on saturday.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCDucQM4Nu8

 

[Red Rick]

Sunweb strikes me as the kind of team to avoid making a decision at all costs.

Granted, this might be only because they're Dutch.

What the lack of decision making or choosing for Kelderman. Sadly I think the latter is probably very true. I though all the final climb Hindley should try it then I remember Barguil gate.

 

[Forever The Best]

What the lack of decision making or choosing for Kelderman. Sadly I think the latter is probably very true. I though all the final climb Hindley should try it then I remember Barguil gate.

I think Hindley should have tried to drop Geoghegan Hart. If he drops him then great. If he causes Geoghegan Hart to lose time to Kelderman due to stop-start, then it's great too. I also think he should have gone for himself, but probably he was told not to.

 

[Red Rick]

I think Hindley should have tried to drop Geoghegan Hart. If he drops him then great. If he causes Geoghegan Hart to lose time to Kelderman due to stop-start, then it's great too. I also think he should have gone for himself, but probably he was told not to.

Actually yeah he should've tried.

If he is booted from his contract he can sign a new one for 10x the money.

 

[spalco]

Kelderman is still the favourite with the bookies at 1.85 payout and Hart is x 3 and Hindley x 4.5.

Hm i don't know about that. I mean i believe those are the odds that are offered, but i think tao is at least 50:50 and i'd Take hindley at 3:1 too if i was interested in betting.

Imo the final tt is a complete crapshoot. Hindley probably has the worst of it, but it's a short and easy tt and might be the best climber of the three.

I certainly wouldn't pick kelderman at those odds.

 

[Forever The Best]

Actually yeah he should've tried.

If he is booted from his contract he can sign a new one for 10x the money.

I think getting booted from Sunweb wouldn't be great though. Unless he is going to Ineos, Jumbo or UAE. If you got what I mean.