Giro d'Italia Giro d'Italia 2023, stage 15: Seregno - Bergamo 195 km

[titan31]

He is good but I think it will be difficult for him to follow Healy, McNulty, Rubio and Mollema if they start to attack each other from the bottom of the last climb.

If they go hard early, it should be, but if they hang on and look at each other for a while, he could easily hang on.

 

[Netserk]

As if there is no way to distinguish fighting for position and actively blocking the road at a low speed.
And I mean yeah, as you wrote, the question is by what means riders are allowed to defend their position. I just think blocking the entire width of the road with your team is clearly a step too far.

My point is to zoom in on that. When a whole team block the front, what is it that an individual rider of that team does? And what should he be allowed to do?

Whether an action is done only by a single rider or coordinated with multiple teams, the same behaviour should be allowed.

Should a rider be allowed to go slowly? Yes. Thus too a whole team to go slowly (as long as you don't endanger others, see lead-out riders in a sprint for a good example of that).
Should a rider be allowed to lean against another rider, if it is done to stay in place? Yes. Thus too for a whole team.

Etc.

Of course, sometimes we see riders try to block the road by what is otherwise abnormal behaviour. We've seen reckless sudden movements to the side, and use of elbows in a way that would get you relegated in a sprint. I'm all for making a distinction between blocking the road safely and unsafely, and to penalise dangerous behaviour. But I disfavour regulations against coordination.

 

[Aimar16]

Sivakov seems fine

 

[topcat]

Sivakov seems fine

So far. There’s another descent

 

[Ilmaestro99]

On the Roncola Pasqualon will drop slowly from the front rider in the breakaway. Caruso will attack over the top, push the descent, and they will meet in the Valley . They will push full gas to the finish, expect him to gain about a minute

 

[Peyroteo94]

Can we have a decent stage at least once in a while? I'm not asking for an epic stage, just a decent stage.

 

[Netserk]

On the Roncola Pasqualon will drop slowly from the front rider in the breakaway. Caruso will attack over the top, push the descent, and they will meet in the Valley . They will push full gas to the finish, expect him to gain about a minute

He should wait on the top.

 

[Ricco']

On the Roncola Pasqualon will drop slowly from the front rider in the breakaway. Caruso will attack over the top, push the descent, and they will meet in the Valley . They will push full gas to the finish, expect him to gain about a minute

I'm so depressed with this year Giro's racing so far that your Masnada predictions seem more plausible at the moment than that.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Anyway after 15 days it feels finally like the Giro has begun . Now all we need is some good gc racing.

And who can forget Masnada and Pogacar trying to rip the legs off each other in these roads 18 months ago

 

[Tim Cahill]

Yeah looking at the finish Roglic probably not bluffing about feeling bad, suits him down to the ground and they likely would've taken the break back if he was up to it, especially with the rest day tomorrow.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Bonifazio looks like he hits the gym a lot.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

Pasqualon and riders of his type still in the break should’ve followed Bonifazio, as likely that was their only chance of stage victory at this point.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Bonifazio looks like he hits the gym a lot.

@Skijumper Roglic fan

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I went away and did a load of work and come back and nothing has changed ..story of my life

In that case i wouldn't bother doing any work anymore.

 

[KOM]

In that case i wouldn't bother doing any work anymore.

Just like the Giro peloton

 

[HelloDolly]

Seems this giro is all about having an easy day !!!

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Bonifazio looking pretty strong, still 40km and a climb to go though.

 

[topcat]

Pasqualon waiting for Caruso

 

[Tricycle Rider]

I've never seen a motorcycle with two wheels in the front, this Giro is really delivering!

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Pasqualon is riding for the stage apparently which is silly.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Niccolo Bonifazio is going to top 10 a mountain stage. If that doesn't say it all about this Giro, I don't know what does.

 

[Salvarani]

Dainese is apparently 18 minutes behind now

From being in the break he has completely run out of energy

 

[Gigs_98]

My point is to zoom in on that. When a whole team block the front, what is it that an individual rider of that team does? And what should he be allowed to do?

Whether an action is done only by a single rider or coordinated with multiple teams, the same behaviour should be allowed.

Should a rider be allowed to go slowly? Yes. Thus too a whole team to go slowly (as long as you don't endanger others, see lead-out riders in a sprint for a good example of that).
Should a rider be allowed to lean against another rider, if it is done to stay in place? Yes. Thus too for a whole team.

Etc.

Of course, sometimes we see riders try to block the road by what is otherwise abnormal behaviour. We've seen reckless sudden movements to the side, and use of elbows in a way that would get you relegated in a sprint. I'm all for making a distinction between blocking the road safely and unsafely, and to penalise dangerous behaviour. But I disfavour regulations against coordination.

I mean I understand your point, I just really disagree with it. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[glassmoon]

someone disturbed the nest?

EDIT: no... not really :/

 

[Salvarani]

Frigo!

Strong attack