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Peyroteo94 said:
Giro-Tour is not Tour-Vuelta.
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It depends. This season Vuelta is in my opinion much harder, compared to Giro and Rogla, till abandoning, was candidate for highest places at the Tour. So all in all i don't see that much difference. That is saying for Rogla to target top 10 at the second one, regardless of the combo. I don't agree with that, at minimum podium position, that is on how i see it. We'll see if a GT double will become a rather frequent thing in the future or if instead all three GTs will rather compete in terms of prestige, that is being harder. In that case we will likely have to wait for a while, before the next successful attempt.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
Giro-Tour is not Tour-Vuelta.
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The Giro-Tour is harder but not that much harder, mainly because you are doing the Tour second. The gap between them is the same and the Vuelta and Giro are not too dissimilar in terms of difficulty. Froome rode Tour+Vuelta most of years during his peak and only won it once. Overall, Giro+Tour has been done 13 times and Tour+Vuelta has been done only 3 times. Given how Roglic has looked stronger in Vuelta than Tour most years, I expect he could do Giro+Tour without jeopardizing his Tour prep too much. The problem is that he is significantly worse than Pogi + Vingegaard to begin with so doesn't have much chance regardless
 
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The Giro-Tour is harder but not that much harder, mainly because you are doing the Tour second. The gap between them is the same and the Vuelta and Giro are not too dissimilar in terms of difficulty. Froome rode Tour+Vuelta most of years during his peak and only won it once. Overall, Giro+Tour has been done 13 times and Tour+Vuelta has been done only 3 times. Given how Roglic has looked stronger in Vuelta than Tour most years, I expect he could do Giro+Tour without jeopardizing his Tour prep too much. The problem is that he is significantly worse than Pogi + Vingegaard to begin with so doesn't have much chance regardless
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Don't get fooled by that number. First of all, Vuelta was not as prestigious as it is right now. Riders like Merckx, Hinault never really targeted the Vuelta specially because it was raced in late April/May, very close to the Giro. Vuelta was just moved to September in 1995 or 1996 and Froome was the first rider to really give this double a real shot (since 1996). Giro-Tour is way more prestigious so it is normal to have more winners (in fact just 7). We all know Merckx and Hinault (and others) would win a lot more Tour-Vuelta if they really cared about it. But Giro-Tour was always the bigger fish.
Contador never gave it a shot and he could do it, specially in 2009 and 2010. The true is all time greats didn't care about this double.
 
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sam6 said:
The Giro-Tour is harder but not that much harder, mainly because you are doing the Tour second. The gap between them is the same and the Vuelta and Giro are not too dissimilar in terms of difficulty. Froome rode Tour+Vuelta most of years during his peak and only won it once. Overall, Giro+Tour has been done 13 times and Tour+Vuelta has been done only 3 times. Given how Roglic has looked stronger in Vuelta than Tour most years, I expect he could do Giro+Tour without jeopardizing his Tour prep too much. The problem is that he is significantly worse than Pogi + Vingegaard to begin with so doesn't have much chance regardless
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thing is, with Tour-Vuelta, the risk is that you run out of gas during the Vuelta, with Giro-Tour you risk underperforming at the Tour, which is always the big one of the three.
Maybe Pogi set a new trend(or reset an old one) this year and we'll see many more Giro-Tour doubles, it's possible
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
Don't get fooled by that number. First of all, Vuelta was not as prestigious as it is right now. Riders like Merckx, Hinault never really targeted the Vuelta specially because it was raced in late April/May, very close to the Giro. Vuelta was just moved to September in 1995 or 1996 and Froome was the first rider to really give this double a real shot (since 1996). Giro-Tour is way more prestigious so it is normal to have more winners (in fact just 7). We all know Merckx and Hinault (and others) would win a lot more Tour-Vuelta if they really cared about it. But Giro-Tour was always the bigger fish.
Contador never gave it a shot and he could do it, specially in 2009 and 2010. The true is all time greats didn't care about this double.
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Carlos Sastre says hi.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
I was talking about top GC riders. Yeah, I know he won a Tour but we also know Contador was not riding it. Contador would have smoked Sastre.
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One win, five further podiums and a total of 15 top 10s, Carlos Sastre was very much a top GC rider unless your standard is Pog or bust. It's like calling Greipel or Petacchi "not top sprinters" in around 2009-10 because Cavendish was faster than them. Carlos' coming 1st in the Tour and 3rd in the Vuelta, after coming top 4 in both for two consecutive years prior, is still a better job of it than most. Froome never managed to match it until 2017. Pickings for "top GC riders" in 2008 are pretty slim, no? I mean, who other than Contador are you considering a 'top GC rider'? All those guys like Evans, Menchov and Schleck that Sastre beat at the Tour? And besides, lots of riders have attempted a Tour-Vuelta double, especially Spanish top contenders like Valverde, Purito, Mas, it's just most of the time, like Sastre himself in 2006 and 2007, they don't succeed in winning the Tour before moving on to the Vuelta.
 
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One win, five further podiums and a total of 15 top 10s, Carlos Sastre was very much a top GC rider unless your standard is Pog or bust. It's like calling Greipel or Petacchi "not top sprinters" in around 2009-10 because Cavendish was faster than them. Carlos' coming 1st in the Tour and 3rd in the Vuelta, after coming top 4 in both for two consecutive years prior, is still a better job of it than most. Froome never managed to match it until 2017. Pickings for "top GC riders" in 2008 are pretty slim, no? I mean, who other than Contador are you considering a 'top GC rider'? All those guys like Evans, Menchov and Schleck that Sastre beat at the Tour? And besides, lots of riders have attempted a Tour-Vuelta double, especially Spanish top contenders like Valverde, Purito, Mas, it's just most of the time, like Sastre himself in 2006 and 2007, they don't succeed in winning the Tour before moving on to the Vuelta.
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Fair enough, you are right.
 
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For a foreign Grande Partenza I find we are very late by now. Normally those stories make the news more than one year in advance. Although I have to say, Albania would be a great country to start the Giro from. The country may need and deserve some international attention and the transfer from Albania to Puglia by ferry is quite simple compared to some long rest day transfers we have seen the last few years.
 
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Solid seven for me, although I like underdog stage wins I would have preferred more stages with the GC battle at the front of the race.
The difficulty for the race is that casual fans will say no Pog, no Vin. Both my son and son in law who I would say are average fans, but not not fully committed knowledgeable ones expressed that view to me separately over the weekend.
 
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Solid seven for me, although I like underdog stage wins I would have preferred more stages with the GC battle at the front of the race.
The difficulty for the race is that casual fans will say no Pog, no Vin. Both my son and son in law who I would say are average fans, but not not fully committed knowledgeable ones expressed that view to me separately over the weekend.
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Wrong thread
 
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ChiefMasterPro said:
For a foreign Grande Partenza I find we are very late by now. Normally those stories make the news more than one year in advance. Although I have to say, Albania would be a great country to start the Giro from. The country may need and deserve some international attention and the transfer from Albania to Puglia by ferry is quite simple compared to some long rest day transfers we have seen the last few years.
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I have a Race Design Thread Giro with an Albanian Grande Partenza fully designed but not written up.
 
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