Giro d'Italia Giro D'Italia 2025 Stage 9: Gubbio – Siena (181km)

[AnotherArmChair]

Vacek very disappointed as very strong but caught behind crash

 

[Andre]

Giro over!two weeks left

At least Bernal died attacking. Tactical blunders from the team, but at least they tried.

over? two weeks left...it will still be between Ayuso and Roglic

 

[Boehmand]

Id argue Lidl Trek are as competent as Ferrari s strategists

No idea what that means, but you have to remember Lidl is not really a GC team - sure Ciccone rides GC and when it doesn't detract from the main objective, which is stage wins, they support him.

But you will not see them sacrifice a potential stage win for Ciccones GC... unless they suddenly think he can podium - that would change everything.

 

[Rou]

One more thing. How can Redbull be viewed as a superteam with performances like this?
Patxi Villa is a real mastermind of cycling. Last year he gave 6 minutes to O'Connor in the Vuelta. Today the man who saved Roglic is the youngster PELLIZZARI.
Poor performance from this team as a whole.

 

[Escarabajo]

over? two weeks left...it will still be between Ayuso and Roglic

Sure it is, sure it is.

 

[Andre]

Van Aert finally getting back some form again. He's a total beast

 

[Boehmand]

First the team car should’ve told him before the attack that “sorry dude, you will only kill yourself by bridging 45 seconds, you’ll have to settle for domestique role today”

Second, he should’ve dropped back to Ciccone much earlier that he actually did. There was a significant period where he was dropped but still rode with Bernal.

I fully understand that the plan before the stage was to give him a chance, but the way the stage turned out it was obvious that him attacking to try to chase back wasn’t going to work. Weak from the team car.

I pretty much disagree with all of that.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

What a stage! It delivered big time. Congrats to Wout on his first victory in a long time, he wasn't the strongest rider today though. After that crash in the front group Ineos really did the job (Rivera!) and managed to distance the rest of groups with Bernal being in excellent situation. But Del Torro proved to be too strong for them at the end: what a monster of a rider! Only Wout managed to hold on to his wheel somehow. Del Torro becomes the leader with a substantial buffer over the rest. Ayuso is the second in GC but he won't be happy after today! There will be some interesting dynamics going on in UAE and the Mexican, if he doesn't collapse soon, may advance to the pole position of their hierarchy. As for Primoz, well, some drama probably had to be expected on this kind of surface. He lost a lot today: the race is not over but he will need to attack and prove to be the strongest in the mountains. The race is on.

 

[TastyGroceries]

No idea what that means, but you have to remember Lidl is not really a GC team - sure Ciccone rides GC and when it doesn't detract from the main objective, which is stage wins, they support him.

But you will not see them sacrifice a potential stage win for Ciccones GC.

They did ride for GC here as Konrad was pulling to gain back time on Bernal/Del Toro (when Vacek was in their group, makes no sense). Ciccone was also their best card for a stage win today. They just rode awfully

 

[Stubb]

Pretty sure del Toro gestured toward wva when he passed him, but he should be happy, with this form he can aim for a bigger prize than a stage.

 

[Rackham]

I really cheered that WvA win. Well done. He saved the day.

 

[Boehmand]

Then why was Konrad actually riding behind Vacek when the later was in the front of the race? They just rode the stage in the worst way they could have given how strong their team was.

Because you can both go for the stage win and limit the time Ciccone loses at the same time.

Everyone knew the Ciccone group was never making it back to the front, with or without Vacek helping.

As long as they thought there was a chance Vacek and Bernal caught the front two, they let Vacek stay out there, while Konrad was riding for Ciccone behind, and when they deemed the stage lost, Vacek dropped back.

 

[Cycling111]

Ayuso has Monday's TT to confirm his form. UAE might be facing an internal struggle if he is able to show some serious stuff.

Yes, but I don't think Del Toro will lose much, and Ayuso isn't entirely reliable.
Adam will lose more time in ITT, but in the mountains, if Ayuso has a bad day, it might be better for them to not have Adam so far behind in GC.

In a finish like this, he's theoretically far superior to someone like Tiberi.

It's only a few seconds, but it's a feeling.
And because the worst days for Ayuso are the consecutive days of high mountains.

 

[movingtarget]

Bora not looking good while UAE have four in the top 10. Bernal and Carapaz rode well. Bad day for Roglic but plenty of racing left. WVA too good at the finish not surprisingly. More than a few GC riders will be glad that stage is done and dusted............no pun intended............

 

[red_flanders]

I will write one thing just for belgians. With all honesty, WVA is washed, this doesn't mean he will not win anything anymore, he will, however he is not close to WVA we saw in 2022, able to win sprints, classics, and contest for monuments. That WVA is gone. Did you understand?

Mod hat on.

Is there some particular reason you think a certain nationality needs lecturing? That's rhetorical, please don't respond.

Dial it back please.

 

[titan31]

No idea what that means, but you have to remember Lidl is not really a GC team - sure Ciccone rides GC and when it doesn't detract from the main objective, which is stage wins, they support him.

But you will not see them sacrifice a potential stage win for Ciccones GC.

Ferrari are incredibly incompetent and take way too longs deciding things in F1. So much so that it's become a meme.

I consider Lidl Trek the cycling equivalent of that. Not just in GCs, they're useless in classics too unless Pedersen is just that much stronger than his competition.

 

[TastyGroceries]

Because you can both go for the stage win and limit the time Ciccone loses at the same time.

Everyone knew the Ciccone group was never making it back to the front, with or without Vacek helping.

As long as they thought there was a chance Vacek and Bernal caught the front two, they let Vacek stay out there, while Konrad was riding for Ciccone behind, and when they deemed the stage lost, Vacek dropped back.

So Vacek made it alone to the front alone but Ciccone group wouldn't have made it back to the front with Vacek (+ Konrad) helping?
If Vacek had pulled the group with Konrad from the start instead of going solo, they would have easily reeled back the front group when it was just Rivera and Bernal pushing. Then potentially after a regroup Vacek could have gone clear with other non GC riders if there was no one willing to work in the group, but they mostly could have played also the Ciccone card for the the finish and gained more time on Roglic as UAE and maybe Ineos would participate in the front. That was the obvious way to play it.

 

[Mayomaniac]

One more thing. How can Redbull be viewed as a superteam with performances like this?
Patxi Villa is a real mastermind of cycling. Last year he gave 6 minutes to O'Connor in the Vuelta. Today the man who saved Roglic is the youngster PELLIZZARI.
Poor performance from this team as a whole.

One would think that resting Moscon or Tratnik yesterday by having them ride grupetto instead of doing the donkey work would be common sense, but nope...

 

[Boehmand]

They did ride for GC here as Konrad was pulling to gain back time on Bernal/Del Toro (when Vacek was in their group, makes no sense). Ciccone was also their best card for a stage win today. They just rode awfully

Dude, you gotta leave time for me to respond to your previous questions, before you ask new ones - especially as some of what you ask, I have already addressed in my response to your previous post

 

[Faserr]

Hopefully Roglic isn't hurt too much. An attacking Roglic could be fun.
Del Toro really strong. We don't really now if he is also with the best at the high mountains.
Still an open race.

Red bull wasn't really good today. Moscon brought Roglic into perfect position, but the rest of the team was missing. Pellizari is really strong though. Aleotti and Tratnik were missing in the last 50km.

 

[Mayomaniac]

So Vacek made it alone to the front alone but Ciccone group wouldn't have made it back to the front with Vacek (+ Konrad) helping?
If Vacek had pulled the group with Konrad from the start instead of going solo, they would have easily reeled back the front group when it was just Rivera and Bernal pushing. Then potentially after a regroup Vacek could have gone clear with other non GC riders, and they could have played also the Ciccone card for the the finish. That was the obvious way to play it.

Vacek is also trying to ride for the gc, before the mtf he talked about trying to keep the jersey on the team...

 

[AnotherArmChair]

Bernal also saying del Toro is the strongest in the Giro

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Finally a 10/10 stage design in this giro.

The waiting time was (almost) all worth it.

 

[noob]

Del Toro reaction to who got the flowers

 

[benzwire]

I'm liking this washed up Wout.
I hope Ayuso and Del Toro start infighting.
And Roglic will have to go on the offensive if he wants this. Doing the last 500m sprint at the hilltop ain't gonna cut it. Take a page from your countryman and get aggressive Rogla!
This Giro is looking good, can't wait for the coming 2 weeks!