Giro d'Italia Stage 6: Fidenza - Marina di Carrara (172km)

[TRDean]

To put folk on ignore for petty reasons is one thing, to tell all of us whenever you do it... WTF?

I would be all in favour of making discussion of who and who isn't on your ignore list an instant time-out-"ban" offence. That way that immature public take-that! grandstanding disappears from my view... bliss.

And add anyone involved with adding 50% bloat to a GT stage thread with inane waffling about Australian egg and spoon races to that insta-ban list, whilst you are at it.

Thank you for that Francois!!!

 

[davis_123]

yeah alright buddy, way to miss the point.

The same applies for the giro, in general LA (I don't like him at all) is a big thing - just look at the hype and attendances of the Tdu with his involvement as proof.

The cycling fans will all be aware of Llyods win - which was ACF point, because of sbs no one will - because we go to the extra effort for the giro. Unfortunately the cycling fanbase isn't big enough in Australia. And for the neutrals, I assume having LA is a bigger factor then the tour of italy, which isn't given the respect it deserves here.

obviously I would like to have sbs show the giro, but I understand why they don't. And I think they do a great thing for cycling in Australia anyway.

ACF: what do you think obv. the giro mate.
I like how every time you make a ludicrous comment and get caught out, it was a joke

The problem we face is that advertising dollars don't come in thick and fast for an event that starts at 11pm and doesn't generally finish until 2am in the morning.

So they spend 50k on the TDU rights and get 10 times the audience exposure + they gain more money from advertising. Compare that to the Giro which costs I don't know but lets say 10 times that and because of its time slot not many companies would bother advertising during the stages.

To be honest if SBS wasn't a government station I doubt they could justify even the TDF as being a good investment so it is good that we at least have a few people willing to fight for fta cycling.

Hopefully Cadel can win the giro and justify at least spending the money on it next year to see if he can defend his win.

 

[theyoungest]

Or maybe it's just the australian way of showing joy, might be a cultural difference.

Or it's just a gesture you clearly misinterpreted. I'd probably do the same, if I were to win a stage in the Giro d'Italia.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Results

1 LLOYD Matthew AUS OLO 4:24:20 0:00 24"
2 BERTOGLIATI Rubens SUI AND 4:25:26 1:06 18"
3 HONDO Danilo GER LAM 4:25:35 1:15 8"
4 BELLETTI Manuel ITA COG 4:25:35 1:15
5 POZZATO Filippo ITA KAT 4:25:35 1:15
6 BONNET William FRA BTL 4:25:35 1:15
7 MODOLO Sacha ITA COG 4:25:35 1:15
8 KIRYIENKA Vasil BLR GCE 4:25:35 1:15
9 EFIMKIN Alexander RUS ALM 4:25:35 1:15
10 COOKE Baden AUS SAX 4:25:35 1:15
11 GASPAROTTO Enrico ITA AST 4:25:35 1:15
12 SANTAMBROGIO Mauro ITA BMC 4:25:35 1:15
13 DUQUE Leonardo COL COF 4:25:35 1:15
14 EIBEGGER Markus AUT FOT 4:25:35 1:15
15 MORENO FERNANDEZ Daniel ESP OLO 4:25:35 1:15
16 MANDRI Rene EST ALM 4:25:35 1:15
17 TOSATTO Matteo ITA QST 4:25:35 1:15
18 ROHREGGER Thomas AUT MRM 4:25:35 1:15
19 BAKELANDTS Jan BEL OLO 4:25:35 1:15
20 EVANS Cadel AUS BMC 4:25:35 1:15
29 MOLLEMA Bauke NED RAB 4:25:35 1:15
30 VINOKOUROV Alexandre KAZ AST 4:25:35 1:15
31 GERDEMANN Linus GER MRM 4:25:35 1:15
34 BASSO Ivan ITA LIQ 4:25:35 1:15
35 NIBALI Vincenzo ITA LIQ 4:25:35 1:15
36 GARZELLI Stefano ITA ASA 4:25:35 1:15
38 SCARPONI Michele ITA AND 4:25:35 1:15
42 CUNEGO Damiano ITA LAM 4:25:35 1:15
46 KARPETS Vladimir RUS KAT 4:25:35 1:15
49 URAN URAN Rigoberto COL GCE 4:25:35 1:15
56 WIGGINS Bradley GBR SKY 4:25:35 1:15
82 SASTRE CANDIL Carlos ESP CTT 4:25:35 1:15
88 POZZOVIVO Domenico ITA COG 4:25:35 1:15
142 MARTIN Daniel IRL GRM 4:35:50 11:30
152 SIMONI Gilberto ITA LAM 4:35:50 11:30
184 BRUSEGHIN Marzio ITA GCE 4:39:56 15:36

 

[dgodave]

142 MARTIN Daniel IRL GRM 4:35:50 11:30
152 SIMONI Gilberto ITA LAM 4:35:50 11:30
184 BRUSEGHIN Marzio ITA GCE 4:39:56 15:36

So what happened to these fellows?
.

 

[van nelle]

Hey you guys no offence, but really this is starting to be ridiculous. This is Giro stage 6 topic, but when you want to read some interesting posts you better have a microscope to find them. Come on, this used to be quality forum!

On topic - I think fantastic Giro to this day, looking forward to see what will Vincenzo have in the mountains +1

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

General

1 NIBALI Vincenzo ITA LIQ 18:55:38 0:00
2 BASSO Ivan ITA LIQ 18:55:51 0:13
3 AGNOLI Valerio ITA LIQ 18:55:58 0:20
4 VINOKOUROV Alexandre KAZ AST 18:56:11 0:33
5 KARPETS Vladimir RUS KAT 18:56:17 0:39
6 PORTE Richie AUS SAX 18:56:23 0:45
7 MILLAR David GBR GRM 18:56:23 0:45
8 COOKE Baden AUS SAX 18:56:41 1:03
9 GERDEMANN Linus GER MRM 18:56:42 1:04
10 DIDIER Laurent LUX SAX 18:56:51 1:13
11 WEENING Pieter NED RAB 18:56:53 1:15
12 ROHREGGER Thomas AUT MRM 18:56:54 1:16
13 KISERLOVSKI Robert CRO LIQ 18:57:02 1:24
14 GRIVKO Andriy UKR AST 18:57:03 1:25
15 JUFRE POU Josep ESP AST 18:57:33 1:55
16 EVANS Cadel AUS BMC 18:57:37 1:59
17 PINOTTI Marco ITA THR 18:57:39 2:01
18 FOTHEN Markus GER MRM 18:57:43 2:05
19 TONDO VOLPINI Xavier ESP CTT 18:57:47 2:09
20 SASTRE CANDIL Carlos ESP CTT 18:57:51 2:13

21 SCARPONI Michele ITA AND 18:58:13 2:35
22 MOLLEMA Bauke NED RAB 18:58:18 2:40
23 GARZELLI Stefano ITA ASA 18:58:27 2:49
26 CUNEGO Damiano ITA LAM 18:59:23 3:45
31 WIGGINS Bradley GBR SKY 19:00:14 4:36
45 MORENO FERNANDEZ Daniel ESP OLO 19:05:15 9:37
71 MASCIARELLI Francesco ITA ASA 19:07:32 11:54
81 POZZOVIVO Domenico ITA COG 19:07:55 12:17
116 URAN URAN Rigoberto COL GCE 19:13:56 18:18
130 MARTIN Daniel IRL GRM 19:16:35 20:57
167 BRUSEGHIN Marzio ITA GCE 19:21:56 26:18

193 BOBRIDGE Jack AUS GRM 19:38:51 43:13

 

[kjetilraknerud]

142 MARTIN Daniel IRL GRM 4:35:50 11:30
152 SIMONI Gilberto ITA LAM 4:35:50 11:30
184 BRUSEGHIN Marzio ITA GCE 4:39:56 15:36

So what happened to these fellows?
.

I'm not sure, but I think Daniel Martin was one of the Garmins guys that pulled Millar up to the peloton after a mechanical on one of the climbs, that probably burned him out.

 

[Francois the Postman]

Results

Thanks, was hunting around for those.

I assume that Rabo is pretty much looking to "pull a Lotto" too, hoping to sneak in a stage win somewhere, a decent showing by the young hopes in GC, and declare the Giro a success.

So, since they are nowhere to be seen at the moment (in Italy), except for Browne showing up near the front at sprints, but do all remain in the front bunches with ease it seems, which stages are they saving their team legs for?

Any thoughts?

 

[Christian]

Or it's just a gesture you clearly misinterpreted. I'd probably do the same, if I were to win a stage in the Giro d'Italia.

Yes, OR it might have been two ironic comments that you misenterpreted.

If I only so much as finished a Giro stage, I'd pull a Danilo Hondo. Never seen anyone so happy for a third place!

 

[TRDean]

General

1 NIBALI Vincenzo ITA LIQ 18:55:38 0:00
2 BASSO Ivan ITA LIQ 18:55:51 0:13
3 AGNOLI Valerio ITA LIQ 18:55:58 0:20
4 VINOKOUROV Alexandre KAZ AST 18:56:11 0:33
5 KARPETS Vladimir RUS KAT 18:56:17 0:39
6 PORTE Richie AUS SAX 18:56:23 0:45
7 MILLAR David GBR GRM 18:56:23 0:45
8 COOKE Baden AUS SAX 18:56:41 1:03
9 GERDEMANN Linus GER MRM 18:56:42 1:04
10 DIDIER Laurent LUX SAX 18:56:51 1:13
11 WEENING Pieter NED RAB 18:56:53 1:15
12 ROHREGGER Thomas AUT MRM 18:56:54 1:16
13 KISERLOVSKI Robert CRO LIQ 18:57:02 1:24
14 GRIVKO Andriy UKR AST 18:57:03 1:25
15 JUFRE POU Josep ESP AST 18:57:33 1:55
16 EVANS Cadel AUS BMC 18:57:37 1:59
17 PINOTTI Marco ITA THR 18:57:39 2:01
18 FOTHEN Markus GER MRM 18:57:43 2:05
19 TONDO VOLPINI Xavier ESP CTT 18:57:47 2:09
20 SASTRE CANDIL Carlos ESP CTT 18:57:51 2:13

21 SCARPONI Michele ITA AND 18:58:13 2:35
22 MOLLEMA Bauke NED RAB 18:58:18 2:40
23 GARZELLI Stefano ITA ASA 18:58:27 2:49
26 CUNEGO Damiano ITA LAM 18:59:23 3:45
31 WIGGINS Bradley GBR SKY 19:00:14 4:36
45 MORENO FERNANDEZ Daniel ESP OLO 19:05:15 9:37
71 MASCIARELLI Francesco ITA ASA 19:07:32 11:54
81 POZZOVIVO Domenico ITA COG 19:07:55 12:17
116 URAN URAN Rigoberto COL GCE 19:13:56 18:18
130 MARTIN Daniel IRL GRM 19:16:35 20:57
167 BRUSEGHIN Marzio ITA GCE 19:21:56 26:18

193 BOBRIDGE Jack AUS GRM 19:38:51 43:13

I told you Bobridge would do great today...wait???

 

[dgodave]

I'm not sure, but I think Daniel Martin was one of the Garmins guys that pulled Millar up to the peloton after a mechanical on one of the climbs, that probably burned him out.

Makes sense.
.
I guess things were moving pretty quick at that point in the race.
.

 

[kjetilraknerud]

Sprinter watch, since there was a little discussion about the sprinters and their climbing abilities, especially Farrar.

In the bunch:

Hondo
Bonnet
Cooke
Duque

4:11 behind:
Henderson
Petacchi

The rest are more than 11 minutes behind, notably Goss in the last group 15:36 behind.

 

[theyoungest]

Thanks, was hunting around for those.

I assume that Rabo is pretty much looking to "pull a Lotto" too, hoping to sneak in a stage win somewhere, a decent showing by the young hopes in GC, and declare the Giro a success.

So, since they are nowhere to be seen at the moment (in Italy), except for Browne showing up near the front at sprints, but do all remain in the front bunches with ease it seems, which stages are they saving their team legs for?

Any thoughts?

Weening and Mollema are probably waiting to see if they can follow the favourites in the mountains. If not, it's breakaway time.

Kruijswijk and Stamsnijder wanted to be in the break today. Didn't work out, apparently.

 

[theyoungest]

Yes, OR it might have been two ironic comments that you misenterpreted.

Ah, Luxembourgian humour. Cultural differences, I guess

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Kruijswijck still did very good, certainly if you consider he was a last-minute entry..

Things are looking good for Weening and Mollema, already much GT contenders failed, and some don't look like improving any time soon either.
When I say things look good, I mean for a possible top 20. I do not think they are good enough for something better, unless they are in a big breakaway which gets minutes (happened before)

 

[TRDean]

Kruijswijck still did very good, certainly if you consider he was a last-minute entry..

Things are looking good for Weening and Mollema, already much GT contenders failed, and some don't look like improving any time soon either.
When I say things look good, I mean for a possible top 20. I do not think they are good enough for something better, unless they are in a big breakaway which gets minutes (happened before)

How would you rate Weening in the mountains? I know Mollema is a supposed climber...I really want him to break out!!

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Weening is incredibly inconsistent in the mountains. On a good day he did a top 25 in the TDF, on a bad day he doesn't even belong to the top 75.
It is really hard to tell.
Last year he did win the hardest stage in the Tour of Austria over the Grossglockner, which does account for something
In potential and in top form I'd rate Mollema higher still. But he is young and it's his first grand tour, so it's also difficult to say.

Before the Giro I'd expect Mollema higer. But Weening seems to be in good shape. I hope they both do well, and if not, they could always go for breakaways. No pressure

 

[Francois the Postman]

Kruijswijk and Stamsnijder wanted to be in the break today. Didn't work out, apparently.

I was slightly disappointed that there were no Rabos in the breakaway. If we were having one, it seemed an ideal opportunity for one of them to tag along. Usually they are fairly good at getting a man along in these type of breakaways.

At the other side of Sunday, there will be a couple more opportunities to go stage hunting. But I can't see the sprinter teams being content with yet more escapees snatching their opportunities either, so the longer we are into the Giro, the harder it will be to sneak away successfully. Usually it's kinda the other way round, the second week is ideal terrain. This time around, I'm not sure.

I'm starting to wonder if this is becoming a GT in which Rabo will be even more invisible/inconsequential as during most of last year's Tour, in which Garate only saved face just before the lights were switched off, because the rest was happy to peddle along to just settle 3rd overall.

For a pretty young team they are doing utterly decent to great, TTT included, but I would happily see "solid by all" change into "noteworthy by one". I hope to get to the end of the Giro with a bit more quality camera time than having to settle for memories of Flens dangling out in front before the home crowd. Take Freire out of the equation and, so far this season, it has been a bit too sparse for my liking.

 

[tgsgirl]

142 MARTIN Daniel IRL GRM 4:35:50 11:30
152 SIMONI Gilberto ITA LAM 4:35:50 11:30
184 BRUSEGHIN Marzio ITA GCE 4:39:56 15:36

So what happened to these fellows?
.

Donkeyboy Bruseghin crashed hard a few days back didn't he? He must still be suffering from that.

 

[Moondance]

How would you rate Weening in the mountains? I know Mollema is a supposed climber...I really want him to break out!!

In the high mountains he's very average, although he can always have a good day. He won a stage in the Tour of Austria last year which was a long, gradual climb, but he usually struggles when the climbing gets hard. In Romandie he was doing very well, but on the final day (with some actual climbing) he got shelled early and lost 20 mins.

If he's going to do well it'll be on a stage like tomorrow, punchy like. Although I don't think the gravel roads will suit him.

EDIT: I see Dekker has already answered this question.

 

[Francois the Postman]

How would you rate Weening in the mountains? I know Mollema is a supposed climber...I really want him to break out!!

Yeah, Weening very hit and miss, as pointed out, and Mollema shows the promise, but I'm not expecting miracles this time around either. If he is seen in the mountains to make a mark of sorts, I'd be happy with his progress, wherever he ends up in GT.

Young, first time Giro... be involved with the real action at some point, that's enough of a baptism to confirm he would be interesting to follow more closely in coming years.

 

[Francois the Postman]

Kruijswijck still did very good, certainly if you consider he was a last-minute entry..

Didn't he win the U23 in the NL last year? I've never really clocked him, and given that he was Freire's last minute replacement, he would be the one I was expecting to finish in the 2nd bunches. He hasn't, he has held more than his own so far.

What kinda rider is he?

 

[theyoungest]

Didn't he win the U23 in the NL last year? I've never really clocked him, and given that he was Freire's last minute replacement, he would be the one I was expecting to finish in the 2nd bunches. He hasn't, he has held more than his own so far.

What kinda rider is he?

10th last year in the Settimana Lombarda, climbing with Di Luca and friends. Decent TT too. Maybe more of a talent than most people thought when the season started. Doing much better than "talent of the year 2009" Dennis van Winden.

In the high mountains he's very average, although he can always have a good day. He won a stage in the Tour of Austria last year which was a long, gradual climb, but he usually struggles when the climbing gets hard. In Romandie he was doing very well, but on the final day (with some actual climbing) he got shelled early and lost 20 mins.

If he's going to do well it'll be on a stage like tomorrow, punchy like. Although I don't think the gravel roads will suit him.

EDIT: I see Dekker has already answered this question.

On the penultimate day he was among the 10 best climbers, but on the final day he'd been on the attack, and probably didn't bother anymore.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Indeed, after the attack he kinda gave up. Had nothing to defend either so.
If he's good, he's also good in high mountains, but the problem is, if he is slightly off his best, he immediately loses 20 mins