giro doping thread

[Escarabajo]

I don't like what I am seeing from Astana. It is just too many riders up front. 7 is too many.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Was it Juul-Jensen 100 kms at the front today? Juul-Jensen of all. Can´t wait to see him drop even more serious riders than Kiryenka, Henao and Pellizotti. Great SeriousSam this Über-Olga, right?

Chris Juul Jensen is a very strong rider with a lot of potential, I already noticed this 3 years ago and he keeps improving.

 

[trevim]

Contador vs Aru will show how much Astana is doping really: in last year's Vuelta an injured Contador beat Aru fair and square. How much could Aru developed naturally in the space of months considering COntador should be on a similar level?

 

[hrotha]

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Dysentery appears to be good for ones health!!!!

He never had dysentery.

Huh, ok, allow me to rephrase. He never claimed to have dysentery. He had dissenteria, which isn't the same thing.

 

[The Hitch]

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Contador vs Aru will show how much Astana is doping really: in last year's Vuelta an injured Contador beat Aru fair and square. How much could Aru developed naturally in the space of months considering COntador should be on a similar level?

To be fair, the good Italian rider are always better in giro. Pozzo I remember was maybe better in vuelta once but even Nibali when he won it and podiumed was imo worse than in giro the same year.

 

[Big Doopie]

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Dysentery appears to be good for ones health!!!!

LOL!

 

[Big Doopie]

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Contador beat Aru fair and square.

LOL, and LOL again.

Like Clentadoppucci is the standard for both clean riding and natural talent. LOL, the CN forum circle-jay for all things clentadoppucci continues unmitigated!

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

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Contador vs Aru will show how much Astana is doping really: in last year's Vuelta an injured Contador beat Aru fair and square. How much could Aru developed naturally in the space of months considering COntador should be on a similar level?

Pinot was 7 minutes behind Valverde in the 2013 Vuelta and 1'30 ahead in the Tour less than a year later
There are quite a lot more factors to it than just doping

 

[SeriousSam]

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Contador vs Aru will show how much Astana is doping really: in last year's Vuelta an injured Contador beat Aru fair and square. How much could Aru developed naturally in the space of months considering COntador should be on a similar level?

Not really. Non-doping factors could easily explain variation in performance.

 

[PremierAndrew]

80% of the peloton are probably doping, but hey, at least it's a level playing field on the whole, and that's all I care about personally

 

[Netserk]

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80% of the peloton are probably doping, but hey, at least it's a level playing field on the whole, and that's all I care about personally

There's nothing level about the playing field. Never was, never will be.

 

[robertmooreheadlane]

No professional sport is a level playing field - Money controls almost everything
More money in soccer - You buy the best players
More money in tennis - you have the best facilities and coaches
More money in Cricket - You buy the best players
More money in Cycling - You have the best cyclist and the best doctors and the best program of drugs

No level playing field unless you keep all the athletes in a monastery and pay everyone the same amount

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

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No professional sport is a level playing field - Money controls almost everything
More money in soccer - You buy the best players and the best doctors and the best program of drugs
More money in tennis - you have the best facilities and coaches and the best doctors and the best program of drugs
More money in Cricket - You buy the best players
More money in Cycling - You have the best cyclist and the best doctors and the best program of drugs

No level playing field unless you keep all the athletes in a monastery and pay everyone the same amount

I don't know anything about Cricket but probably the same there as well

 

[the sceptic]

it appears astana has become the new team sky. 3 riders as strong or stronger than other GC riders. lol!

 

[gmedina]

aru/porte/contador + landa going full *** today....so blatant....

 

[SeriousSam]

How many watts did they do? Let's not call them mutants just yet, although that's what they are, of course.

 

[vedrafjord]

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80% of the peloton are probably doping, but hey, at least it's a level playing field on the whole, and that's all I care about personally

Assuming you're being serious, please read this http://inrng.com/2012/10/level-playing-field-doping-myth/.

* Some doctors are better than others, have access to newer drugs
* Some riders are more willing to dope to the point where it could kill them
* Some riders have a national federation that is more willing to turn a blind eye, or is able to evade tests via politics or tipoffs or make positives disappear
* Some people get way more benefit from certain drugs than others. For a hundred years the formula was simple - smaller guys are better climbers, because duh, gravity. Then EPO appears and suddenly you have Indurain, Riis, Ullrich - big diesel engines - flying uphill because they can get way more oxygen to their bigger muscles.

So who would win if there was no doping? That's the terrible thing. We don't have a clue.

 

[Escarabajo]

All I want to say is Astana LOL. Ridiculous. Vino has no shame.

 

[the sceptic]

this is amazing entertainment. has Cookson really given astana permission to do this or do they just not care anymore?

wonder if skyfans and Walsh still think cycling is 100% clean?

 

[GuyIncognito]

Porte: 'It’s obvious that Astana smell a bit of blood'
Unintentional innuendo is hilarious.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Cataldo will be in pink after the tt

 

[Kwibus]

Astana seems to be going full ***. Quite shameless.

I came here just to see how much talk there was about Astana so far, but reading the clinic is always kind of hilarious.
To be fair Tinkoff look a lot more human then Astana. Tinkoff riders drop like flies.... Astana though.......

 

[Rollthedice]

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Cataldo will be in pink after the tt

It will be Aru. Lots of wind tunnels during preparations.

 

[sniper]

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this is amazing entertainment. has Cookson really given astana permission to do this or do they just not care anymore?

wonder if skyfans and Walsh still think cycling is 100% clean?

cookson has gotten everybody on message. More doping, less scandals, more sponsors. everybody wins.
mcquaid just wasn't able to keep all parties happy.

astana's positives, thinking about it, it may just have been preemptive action from uci/cookson, trying to stay ahead of a possible story about astana still working with Ferrari.
Of course as we now know that never became a real story, but maybe Cookson wasn't sure and wanted to be seen to do the right thing before the scandal (that never became a scandal).

 

[the delgados]

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Astana seems to be going full ***. Quite shameless.

I came here just to see how much talk there was about Astana so far, but reading the clinic is always kind of hilarious.
To be fair Tinkoff look a lot more human then Astana. Tinkoff riders drop like flies.... Astana though.......

You may be right, but I can't help but wonder why Tinkoff is leading the chase on what seems to be every stage. Why are they chasing down breaks in the closing kilometres on sprint stages? It makes no sense to me. Every stage I tune in thinking Tinkoff are going to be blown to bits by the third week, what with all the needless chasing. But then I realize they are all probably doped to the gills.
Sky seems to be the only team playing the game correctly.