giro doping thread

[the sceptic]

taxus is JV on drugs

 

[luckyboy]

Anybody else miss rest day positives?

 

[The Hegelian]

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It's pretty intriguing how a team who was damn close to getting pulled is so damn brazenly riding mutant. You'd really assume that after all the speculation and ethical-legal crap, they'd tone it right down and just make sure Aru is where he needs to be in the big moments. But nope, they've got greats off the front every spare moment, triumphantly winning stages and splitting pelotons - it's really a big middle finger to the UCI et al. In its own perverse and dirty way, it's almost glorious, the total lack of pretense. They clearly do not give a s*it about perceptions.

Yup, I thought the same. Might the key be this: a passed UCI review not only grants a licence, but also helps to establish margins of safety very accurately. Apparently Astana concluded there was some underutilised capacity left to be improved upon. This of course is assuming that anything medically or sportingly relevant was touched upon in the review, not simply intra UCI politics, which I actually find more likely.

Or perhaps Astana simply said fugit lets do it.

Very good point. The whole process may have given them a shot in the arm of confidence.

I like the fugit theory as well. It's pretty Vino.

 

[SkyTears]

so the usual break of annonimous riders keeping the sprinters peleton at bay

i understand when Tony Martin does it but this guys ... lolz

 

[IamIronMan]

Maybe Astana have figured out the Sky cocktail of 2012 and 2013, and are just now bringing it to bear. The UCI either looked the other way, or it was truly undetectable (for now), and Astana figures what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

[nayr497]

It would depress me if the goal of my sporting team was to figure out what drug combo our top competitor was taking...that wouldn't make the sport very much fun.

I like recreational drugs, but it's easy to find out what someone having all the fun is on, you just ask

 

[Benotti69]

break stays away! hmm with Boonen and others talking about how fast they were going at the end........and those who professed the sport had changed remain silent............

 

[DirtyWorks]

I grabbed this from the road racing forum. This is the list of individuals on the Giro's 2015 anti-doping commission.

Enrique GONZALES MARTINEZ (Esp)
chief official at UCI at various international events
Sergio MEZZINI
anti-doping official at UCI "doping control officer"
Ingo-sven LINKE (Ger)
UCI official mentioned a few different places at different races
Claude DESCHASEAUZ (Fra)
UCI official in doping control for various International events
José DIEZ LORENZANA (Esp)
formerly in charge of doping controls in Spain's cycling federation sometime in the 1990s. Former Spanish cycling federation president?
Germano CASAROTTI (Ita)
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/germano-casarotti-an-italian-member-of-the-uci-jury-leaves-news-photo/71339990

So, yeah. The UCI is the anti-doping authority. Not one person from CONI present. Cleanest Giro ever.

This is how the anti-doping system works. The federation at this level of sport is in charge.

 

[DirtyWorks]

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Maybe Astana have figured out the Sky cocktail of 2012 and 2013, and are just now bringing it to bear. The UCI either looked the other way, or it was truly undetectable (for now), and Astana figures what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Not likely. We know the UCI has positives they don't enforce.

That's not to say there aren't undetectable drugs. There are. It's just that we get some interesting positives from the minor leagues for drugs considered new to casual observers like me. Somehow the elites are cleans though.

Meanwhile, the drugs that work seem to be widely used pretty quickly.

 

[IamIronMan]

Another stage which came in faster than the fastest schedule! I think I heard the other day one of the stages was the 2nd fastest in Giro history, even though it was done in the rain. You got breakaways that are so strong, the field can't catch them, and you got Astana doing a Sky 2012 impression with 6 guys out of a field of 15 motoring up steep grades like they are going out for a spin... Yep, I'd say the new clean era which never existed, no longer exists, lol! Can't wait for the Tour, Astana "A" team vs Sky "A" team. I don't see how Contador can possibly do the double with that kind of nuclear energy from TWO teams!

 

[coppino]

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Another stage which came in faster than the fastest schedule! I think I heard the other day one of the stages was the 2nd fastest in Giro history, even though it was done in the rain. You got breakaways that are so strong, the field can't catch them, and you got Astana doing a Sky 2012 impression with 6 guys out of a field of 15 motoring up steep grades like they are going out for a spin... Yep, I'd say the new clean era which never existed, no longer exists, lol! Can't wait for the Tour, Astana "A" team vs Sky "A" team. I don't see how Contador can possibly do the double with that kind of nuclear energy from TWO teams!

i do

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Now after all the talk about Landa & AST....
How about Moinard? That is suspicious. One day he paces Gilbert, the others he is in the break, and as side-effect aims T-10... As No. 3 CG-guy behind Caruso & Atapuma! Oh, and ofc, he was the latest call for the Giro rosters. Came in two days before the start as replacement.

 

[TheGreenMonkey]

Moinard has two GT GC top 20s, one of the them due to significant time gain from a breakaway admittedly. He is a decent climber, but he will lose the time he gained today plus more over the next two days unless he gets in a break again or the racing is uncharacteristic of this Giro. I do not see anything especially suspicious about his performance.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Then Landa isn´t too. Or not more than Moinard, who does all the work. He is everywhere. And don´t forget: He was called up two days before the Giro. He wasn´t even planned to ride the Giro.

 

[Rollthedice]

Amador, another rider who's gonna be out of contract and magically has the performance of his life in Giro. And he climbs so well because he lost weight, mucho, 5-6 kilos. He didn't say if this weight loss helped him time-trial also better than he usually does.

 

[Benotti69]

Earnest Flambeau @bendgiese · May 14

Moreno Hoffman of @LottoJumbo_road just used the words 'not normal' to describe the pace of the giro just now on @Eurosport

Mikkel Condé v2.0@mrconde
Jérôme Pineau on how hard this #Giro has been: "It is right up there with the Tour de France years dominated by US Postal"

SSDD with pro cycling.

Even raceradio, posted a Bassons quote 'peloton à deux vitesses" when Bassons was the only one clean!

JV has stopped talking about doping. Now it is so obvious he would look an idiot. Anyway his boys have shown themselves to be 'equipped' to do some stuff. Formolo and today Hesjedal catching Contador on a climb. Yep this sport might have gone to the AA meetings but they were in the pub right after.

 

[TourOfTexas]

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Another stage which came in faster than the fastest schedule! I think I heard the other day one of the stages was the 2nd fastest in Giro history, even though it was done in the rain.....

The wet roads decrease rolling resistance.

 

[Eagle]

Earnest Flambeau @bendgiese · May 14

Moreno Hoffman of @LottoJumbo_road just used the words 'not normal' to describe the pace of the giro just now on @Eurosport

I presume he means Moreno Hofland

 

[Taxus4a]

Can any of the so clever posters here tellme how is posible Quique gutierrez, "el bufalo", climb quite better Mortirolo than Landa, Contador, Aru,...when Landa is a supertalent from juniors, and quique wanst even a climber?

Could someone tell me he circusntances for that? it was an easier Giro? it was eaieser stages? were better then the bikes? wind? this year was a full gas climb, so I am thinking about...Better riders? more long altitude cocnentrations? better profesionals around the team?

My impresion is that maybe Quique was doped, an now no, but i must be wrong, becouse today there is still doping as a read here, becouse you see today riders doping, dont you?

I said that becouse everything indicates that dont dope, but if you have that proof, I would like to have it to belive as you.. I try, but I cant.. when they doped generally in the 90-2000... the evidence was so obvious, but I didnt want to believe that, I was blind, I just have my own explanation to belive, and now I am worried, becouse maybe some people are in the same situation than a I was, and they are just blind...

 

[Beech Mtn]

SSDD with pro cycling.

Even raceradio, posted a Bassons quote 'peloton à deux vitesses" when Bassons was the only one clean!

JV has stopped talking about doping. Now it is so obvious he would look an idiot. Anyway his boys have shown themselves to be 'equipped' to do some stuff. Formolo and today Hesjedal catching Contador on a climb. Yep this sport might have gone to the AA meetings but they were in the pub right after.

I suspect JV's lack of doping talk has to do with him trying to get into bed with guys like Brailsford and Oleg and the Velon group, and that they all want to ignore the subject of doping altogether so as not to scare away any potential sponsors they might be wooing behind the scenes.

 

[ggusta]

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taxus is JV on drugs

I think he is taxus on drugs

 

[TheGreenMonkey]

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Then Landa isn´t too. Or not more than Moinard, who does all the work. He is everywhere. And don´t forget: He was called up two days before the Giro. He wasn't even planned to ride the Giro.

Surely Moinard being called up a couple of days before the race makes it less likely he is on anything special for preparation. I am not saying he is clean, just that I have not seen anything that really stands out as extra suspicious. As a team BMC do not seem to be achieving anything too far over the top. Caruso is around where you would expect him. Atapuma as well, perhaps even not quite climbing at his best. Gilbert is still well short of 2011 levels, todays win was as much about being clever than being exceptionally strong.

So while obviously doping, I don't think BMC have stepped it up in a major way like Astana seem to have done.

 

[TourOfTexas]

Looks like Aru got a blood bag recently. Riding like a changed man.

 

[IamIronMan]

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Looks like Aru got a blood bag recently. Riding like a changed man.

No doubt LOL! A week too late though.

 

[58teeth]

DId you see that celebration? Crazier than Menchov in the TT a few years ago! I'd imagine he could have just kept riding right up the Matterhorn if he hadn't stopped.