giro doping thread

[the delgados]

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The way LeMond seems to have no problem with any dopers bar Armstrong really makes me doubt he rode clean.

That is quite honestly the dumbest, in a long, long history of dumb, unsupported accusations against LeMond. Chapeau.

Thanks.

I find it hard to watch LeMond talk about Pantani, Contador, Nibali and these guys and ignore the bleeding obvious.

I find it hypocritical that he went after Armstrong but rides around Paris in a car containing Merckx, Indurain and Hinault who all doped and prior to the 'reasoned decision' defended Armstrong.

That doesn't make LeMond a proven doper, but it sure makes him a hypocrite and if he has no problem with their wins, why is that? In this sport it sure doesn't point me in a direction that makes one think oh he was clean......and I used to think yep LeMond was THE clean winner of the modern era! Now I doubt it.

Ask Frankie Andreu. He spent years chasing Pharmstrong after one doped up stage win after another to get a post stage quote, even though the guy was trying to ruin his life.
My take is there's a time and place for everything. I don't understand the notion that Lemond (or anyone else, for that matter) would be standing around post-race accusing everyone of being doped. I mean, what would be the point, unless the goal was to drive the entire sport into the ground.

 

[red_flanders]

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The way LeMond seems to have no problem with any dopers bar Armstrong really makes me doubt he rode clean.

That is quite honestly the dumbest, in a long, long history of dumb, unsupported accusations against LeMond. Chapeau.

Thanks.

I find it hard to watch LeMond talk about Pantani, Contador, Nibali and these guys and ignore the bleeding obvious.

I find it hypocritical that he went after Armstrong but rides around Paris in a car containing Merckx, Indurain and Hinault who all doped and prior to the 'reasoned decision' defended Armstrong.

That doesn't make LeMond a proven doper, but it sure makes him a hypocrite and if he has no problem with their wins, why is that? In this sport it sure doesn't point me in a direction that makes one think oh he was clean......and I used to think yep LeMond was THE clean winner of the modern era! Now I doubt it.

I get the immediate reaction, but is it really so hard to process the reality? On one hand you have a guy who flat out sought to ruin his business and his reputation because of a couple of factual comments. On the other you have former friends (close friends in the case of Hinault) and competitors who he raced against decades ago. If he's going to avoid association with anyone who sniffed Armstrong's chamois, he's going to be pretty much relegated to riding alone in a car with a driver from some remote village in eastern Siberia.

To jump from that to accusing him of doping because he doesn't act now, 25-30 years later, as you personally would want him to? Well that's just comically ridiculous.

 

[hrotha]

Funny, we've spent years explaining why Armstrong wasn't just another doper like all the others, and all of sudden it's not justified to treat him differently from all the other dopers.

 

[Taxus4a]

Froome gave impressive numbers in his test
Landa has been always a supertalent

The talent of Froome needed more polish more than Landa, he started too late cycling, he needed to lose weigh and mainly, he nedeed to lear how to race, he still has to lear how to be well positioned in the buch, so he can improve, he must improve, he will improve, of course.

But talent doenst mean you will succed.

Gari Bravo has a big talent

Teklehaimanot or Rafaa Chitioui gave similar numbers than Froome when he did those test, but problems in culture, countries, illness in the caes of Daniel, make him mediun range riders.

In the case of Froome he had an illness as well.

I didnt see anything extrange in this Giro, I know quite well that Landa and Amador are clean riders, so why not the rest?

When I saw Santambroglio climbing with the best there is not a possible explanation, but everybody knew that and the anti doping did his work... they take more time that I would like, but at the end thay catch him.

Difficult to avoid the antidpoing today, biopasport, localization, no needles allowed for anything, surpresive controls,

Except in Finestre, that times were similar to the dark era, the climbing times were clearly slower...

This wanst the hardest Giro, no very long stages, and no any super tappone with two big climbs, but the stage of Finestre was without any climb before and was an TT from Astana most of the climb, so good conditions to do a good time...but anyway similar to Rujano, so, nothing strange...

I am happy about and I hope things going like that.

it is a pity some people dont see how things are today.

In the case of doping the improvement today is low, and talented people can win.

You have now an interesesnting book talking about this: Cuervos y palomas.

 

[the sceptic]

what about Horner? cleans?

 

[Eagle]

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Winner - Alberto Contador - caught doping 2010. Implicated Operation Puerto
Mountains jersey - Gio Visconti- caught working with Ferrari 2013. Suspended 3 months
Points jersey - Nizzolo
White jersey- Fabio Aru- doping hero worshiper on Vino's team
Team comp - Astana- found to be mass team doping last year and in other years in their history.

And that's a wrap, folks.
Glad you could join us for the 2015 Giro. See you next year!

We could start with the ones that didn't win anything and go from there.

That's why the clean teams cant compete ...

Which ones are those?

We could start with the ones who didnt win anything and go from there ...

So Androni, CCC-Sprandi-Polkowice, Southeast Pro Cycling, Nippo-Vini Fantini, LottoNL, Giant, IAM, FDJ and AG2R? Which ones are clean?

 

[Eagle]

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Back to the topic of the thread, I was hugely disappointed by this Giro. Lots of people here seem to find blatantly doped performances hilarious but watching them live I just found them depressing. Watching some stages I just turned the TV off and got on my bike and headed up the mountains instead. Winning a GT should be the pinnacle of achievement in the sport and right now it doesn't seem to be open to anyone with a shred of integrity.

I tend to agree. There is no suffering involved no matter how hard they make the stages: The enjoyment of watching riders battle up mountain finishes is gone and I don't see a way back which is sad.
Pretty amazing after all the good press with the new leadership that nothing is being said about the insane speeds that Giro was ridden at. The press even look as if they have been silenced. If the passport and drug testing can't catch anyone at that Giro from the top 10 then what hope is there ....although not surprising when you look at sport in general. There is no appetite for the fight against doping: Look at sprinting, marathon runners,athletics in general with Russia outed but seemingly immune - Tennis a shambles with guys and girls playing for hours without an ounce of effort....triathlon,Iron man insane times- football immune, Rugby in denial....at least darts is open about lads using enhancment with pints of beer
The Giro is just what we care about, sport and money = drug use and cheats=fame and fortune even when caught. The chances of getting caught are slim !

Did you miss Aru?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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Did you miss Aru?

Did you miss the final 2 mountain stages?

 

[Archibald]

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Did you miss Aru?

Did you miss the final 2 mountain stages?

although he magically came back for those next two stages, you mention

 

[Dear Wiggo]

meh

 

[Taxus4a]

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what about Horner? cleans?

I dont believe he was clean in the past.

He was clean in the Vuelta he won and it is a pity he is not riding best races.

Nice guy, i hope the best for him, but other talented riders couldnt even win a GT, so it is not bad for him.

 

[BigMac]

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Doped: Tour de Langkawi.

Clean: Vuelta.

What was that study from a while back, doping makes you perform bad?

 

[burning]

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what about Horner? cleans?

I dont believe he was clean in the past.

He was clean in the Vuelta he won and it is a pity he is not riding best races.

Nice guy, i hope the best for him, but other talented riders couldnt even win a GT, so it is not bad for him.

Wow, simply wow.

 

[Archibald]

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meh

that's just a europcar thing... see BigMac's avatar - they all look like that

As for Aru, having a cry on a stage where he literally is finished and can't follow was made even funnier by his miraculous recovery to win the next two stages...
amazing stuff from Astana!

 

[Random Direction]

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what about Horner? cleans?

I dont believe he was clean in the past.

He was clean in the Vuelta he won and it is a pity he is not riding best races.

Nice guy, i hope the best for him, but other talented riders couldnt even win a GT, so it is not bad for him.

Wow, simply wow.

Why am I thinking of a Monty Python song?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

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what about Horner? cleans?

I dont believe he was clean in the past.

He was clean in the Vuelta he won and it is a pity he is not riding best races.

Nice guy, i hope the best for him, but other talented riders couldnt even win a GT, so it is not bad for him.

I knew that LA was in a Horner costume when he rode the Vuelta 2013...

What I didn´t knew was that Taxus is a Polish-Wonderlance clone copy.

Taxus, if Horner was ever clean, actually it was in the past. That past that left him fired from a 2nd tier team in Europe. Went home without contract, even though at this age, athlets peak.
Taxus, your post is the most comical of the year. (And I think the RR guys would come up with a good 2nd and 3rd of yours to complete the all-you-podium). Quiet an acomplishment...

 

[heart_attack_man]

Re: Re:

what about Horner? cleans?

I dont believe he was clean in the past.

He was clean in the Vuelta he won and it is a pity he is not riding best races.

Nice guy, i hope the best for him, but other talented riders couldnt even win a GT, so it is not bad for him.

Wow, simply wow.

As I've said in the past, the troll is strong with this one.

 

[vedrafjord]

Will the Giro be as silly as last year? Nibali, Landa, Valverde, Majka all have thermonuclear potential, but who'll come out of nowhere? Who'll be improbably strong in the third week? Italian Pro Conti riders with treacle for blood? Or Eastern Europeans with TUEs for heart conditions?

 

[Netserk]

Firsanov to do a Santambrogio.

 

[Bronstein]

Zakarin will be fully unleashed, Menchov 09 Giro style.

 

[vedrafjord]

I was watching last year's Giro and realised I'd forgot all about Yuri Trofimov - he was great in the second half of last year's Giro, signed to Tinkoff, and has been beyond anonymous this year (I don't remember him doing any domestique duties of note - correct me if I'm wrong). http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=1600&year=2016&all=1&current=0

 

[ciranda]

Not really worth mentioning if compared to how strong Kruiswijk and Hesjedal was in the second half.

 

[London Hibs]

Kolobnev is in from the cold and will surely be good for a stage (the *** has cost me thousands over the years though betting wise)

 

[doperhopper]

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Zakarin will be fully unleashed, Menchov 09 Giro style.

we would all love to see ZakStrong to outvroom marginal Landa in Dolomites or on Risoul, leaving Nibbles 10 min behind (helplessly holding to a team car)

And Piti to be towed by the Movi burlacks to his usual 3rd... assuming Dumurain implodes in this short epic last big mountain stage, after pulling a Voeckler on Risoul the day before to secure one more day on the podium

 

[Tonton]

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Zakarin will be fully unleashed, Menchov 09 Giro style.

we would all love to see ZakStrong to outvroom marginal Landa in Dolomites or on Risoul, leaving Nibbles 10 min behind (helplessly holding to a team car)

And Piti to be towed by the Movi burlacks to his usual 3rd... assuming Dumurain implodes in this short epic last big mountain stage, after pulling a Voeckler on Risoul the day before to secure one more day on the podium

Funny post and cool nicknames