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You do if you're a major GC contender when there's a major GC contender behind and another GC contender in the group who was rather reticent in cooperating beforehand. There was no sleight of hand in sprinting.
sultanofhyd said:
You do if you're a major GC contender when there's a major GC contender behind and another GC contender in the group who was rather reticent in cooperating beforehand. There was no sleight of hand in sprinting.
The Motorcycle incident probably prevented this stage from being top notch. Hope he makes it ok.
Anyway congrats to Tiralongo, another Astana superhuman.
Anyway congrats to Tiralongo, another Astana superhuman.
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Aru does.
I've never seen anyone burn as big a bridge for just one stinking second.
sultanofhyd said:
Aru does.
I've never seen anyone burn as big a bridge for just one stinking second.
This should put all the debates to rest I think. AC doesnt sound exactly pleased but maybe not too pissed either.
"I would have preferred to have ridden more conservatively from the final climb to the finish, but Aru asked me to work with him because Urán was behind us, and it was important to put time into him," Contador said. "We worked together, even if he sprinted to gain back a second, but I’m very happy with where I am after nine stages. I have the Maglia Rosa, and I have a rest day for my shoulder and legs to recover."
Aru sprinted with 100 meters remaining, hoping to pick up a few seconds on Contador, who led him in the GC by only four seconds. The Italian picked up one second, and is now only 3 seconds down in second place, with Porte third at 22 seconds.
“Right now it looks like it won’t be easy to take the pink jersey away from Contador,” Tiralongo said after the stage. “He’s a real champion, but there is still time. For us, it is important to concentrate on Fabio Aru. I was in the break group to support him, and then saw that it could work out for me.”
Contador was happy to have defended his lead, and called it “the most unusual stage I have ever experienced.”
"I would have preferred to have ridden more conservatively from the final climb to the finish, but Aru asked me to work with him because Urán was behind us, and it was important to put time into him," Contador said. "We worked together, even if he sprinted to gain back a second, but I’m very happy with where I am after nine stages. I have the Maglia Rosa, and I have a rest day for my shoulder and legs to recover."
Aru sprinted with 100 meters remaining, hoping to pick up a few seconds on Contador, who led him in the GC by only four seconds. The Italian picked up one second, and is now only 3 seconds down in second place, with Porte third at 22 seconds.
“Right now it looks like it won’t be easy to take the pink jersey away from Contador,” Tiralongo said after the stage. “He’s a real champion, but there is still time. For us, it is important to concentrate on Fabio Aru. I was in the break group to support him, and then saw that it could work out for me.”
Contador was happy to have defended his lead, and called it “the most unusual stage I have ever experienced.”
- Apr 3, 2009
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He's always in the right head space, Contador. Said what he had to with Aru and moves on in public. Confirms it was Aru who requested help, confirms he didn't like the sprint after the agreement and is happy overall.
sunnyIce said:
He's always in the right head space, Contador. Said what he had to with Aru and moves on in public. Confirms it was Aru who requested help, confirms he didn't like the sprint after the agreement and is happy overall.
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For a great example on this, look at stage 8 of the 2009 Tour. Astarloza, Casar, Luísle and Efimkin are away and are going to contest the stage win when Efimkin stops taking relays. The rest keep riding because they want to ensure the break stays away, but they get frustrated with the Russian. When he attacks, the other three are pissed and charge off to chase him down. Casar and Astarloza are relaying, Luísle comes through a few times and drives for Efimkin but is just too tired to take all of his turns and keeps yo-yoing. When he is in the right place when it's time for a relay, he pulls for a few seconds then backs off again. Casar and Astarloza therefore have no problem with LuLu because he's trying to help, but he's clearly spent. Therefore once the job in catching Efimkin is done, he stops helping out at the front, and they don't complain.
Then he attacks for the stage win and gets clear, because he'd been bluffing all along.
If Beñat had done the same act of being tired, but offered some half-hearted turns to help Reichenbach, there wouldn't have been anything like the same frustration when he jumped away and profited from the Swiss' work.
Beñat could have shared a few relays though, he was bluffing well enough.Tank Engine said:
For a great example on this, look at stage 8 of the 2009 Tour. Astarloza, Casar, Luísle and Efimkin are away and are going to contest the stage win when Efimkin stops taking relays. The rest keep riding because they want to ensure the break stays away, but they get frustrated with the Russian. When he attacks, the other three are pissed and charge off to chase him down. Casar and Astarloza are relaying, Luísle comes through a few times and drives for Efimkin but is just too tired to take all of his turns and keeps yo-yoing. When he is in the right place when it's time for a relay, he pulls for a few seconds then backs off again. Casar and Astarloza therefore have no problem with LuLu because he's trying to help, but he's clearly spent. Therefore once the job in catching Efimkin is done, he stops helping out at the front, and they don't complain.
Then he attacks for the stage win and gets clear, because he'd been bluffing all along.
If Beñat had done the same act of being tired, but offered some half-hearted turns to help Reichenbach, there wouldn't have been anything like the same frustration when he jumped away and profited from the Swiss' work.
It will be great for the Giro if AC decides to put some serious hurt on Fabio. Will make for an entertaining GT, otherwise it looks like it will be going by script so far. But wonder if he will and maybe hurt his chances at the Tour by overextending.
And Tiro agrees, “Right now it looks like it won’t be easy to take the pink jersey away from Contador,” Tiralongo said after the stage.
And Tiro agrees, “Right now it looks like it won’t be easy to take the pink jersey away from Contador,” Tiralongo said after the stage.
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I don't think there's much wrong of aru to do it but at the same time it's understandable contador is upset.
Aru asks him to work together to distance Uran who isn't a real threat for Contador but he definitely is for aru who has a *** ITT.
So contador probably was like "yea i guess i can do some pulls to help you, doesn't matter for me either way that much."
And then aru clearly tries to take time on him with that move after contador just pulled. Aru can do whatever he wants but i don't think it was worth to make contador upset.
Aru asks him to work together to distance Uran who isn't a real threat for Contador but he definitely is for aru who has a *** ITT.
So contador probably was like "yea i guess i can do some pulls to help you, doesn't matter for me either way that much."
And then aru clearly tries to take time on him with that move after contador just pulled. Aru can do whatever he wants but i don't think it was worth to make contador upset.
sagan has only 49 points?????? cav has 55???? what's happenig here? sagan has two first places, two seconds and a third place, why he isn't the leader?
- Apr 16, 2009
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Why did Contador have ice on his face? Was it because Aru slapped him on the face?
On a serious note Aru should not have done that. But at least the intensity of the race is becoming bigger and bigger and I like it.
On a serious note Aru should not have done that. But at least the intensity of the race is becoming bigger and bigger and I like it.
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What I don't like is when people pass off one type of criticism (they don't like what the rider did, which I think is perfectly fine, I make such judgements all the time) as the other (what the rider did is bad for accomplishing his current and future objectives).
I agree that doing a little work would have been preferable for Beñat for the reasons you mention. That's distinct from the criticism usually levied at such tactics, which is that they violate some code of ethics, show a lack of class and courage etc. Not that I have a problem with that criticism, subscribing to what I think shows great character is one of the things that affects whether I root for a rider or root against him.Libertine Seguros said:
What I don't like is when people pass off one type of criticism (they don't like what the rider did, which I think is perfectly fine, I make such judgements all the time) as the other (what the rider did is bad for accomplishing his current and future objectives).
- May 15, 2011
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Suuuuuuuurreee.. Because Contador didn't want to put more time into Uran, the rider who was likely to pass him in GC after TT if not for today's stage forcing him to attack later in the race and spend energy instead of wheelsucking for rest of the Giro.
What a load of crap.
Contador worked because it benefited him as well, not because he was doing a favor for anyone
Miburo said:
Suuuuuuuurreee.. Because Contador didn't want to put more time into Uran, the rider who was likely to pass him in GC after TT if not for today's stage forcing him to attack later in the race and spend energy instead of wheelsucking for rest of the Giro.
What a load of crap.
Contador worked because it benefited him as well, not because he was doing a favor for anyone
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