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For one second of time, he established himself as someone Contador won't trust. Poor risk/reward.
Again, not going to matter at the end, this race will be one by the strongest rider. Just dumb to make yourself un-trustworthy for no benefit.
SeriousSam said:Hard to say what the net benefit of Aru's action is.red_flanders said:
On the plus, he has 1 second
What does have have on the minus? Contador's eternal wrath?
For one second of time, he established himself as someone Contador won't trust. Poor risk/reward.
Again, not going to matter at the end, this race will be one by the strongest rider. Just dumb to make yourself un-trustworthy for no benefit.
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I very much doubt Aru and Contador agreed to anything whatsoever in the brief exchange of words they had. More like ''ride with me and let's get time on Urán''. Contador might have thought there was some sort of gentlemens' accord implicit, but that's his own problem.
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Ok this discussion has probably gone full circle. Where you guys see trust, I see mutually beneficial cooperation that doesn't need trust.
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Oh, c'mon. Aru might have said to AC "let's get rid of Uran once and for all". AC helped a bit and just before the finish line Aru opened his sprint. It was clear, he was not gonna steal more than 4 seconds away from AC.
Moreover, you can ask someone to share work and not promise anything. It's not like Aru was gaining something and AC not.
The_Cheech said:
Oh, c'mon. Aru might have said to AC "let's get rid of Uran once and for all". AC helped a bit and just before the finish line Aru opened his sprint. It was clear, he was not gonna steal more than 4 seconds away from AC.
Moreover, you can ask someone to share work and not promise anything. It's not like Aru was gaining something and AC not.
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He sprinted to get clear of Contador and Porte, after asking them to work with him even though they were alone and he had a teammate.
Because of Contador and Porte's work Aru got a minute on Uran instead of 20-30 seconds.
Was Uran's group going to get all that back with a sprint to the line?
Eshnar said:
He sprinted to get clear of Contador and Porte, after asking them to work with him even though they were alone and he had a teammate.
Because of Contador and Porte's work Aru got a minute on Uran instead of 20-30 seconds.
Was Uran's group going to get all that back with a sprint to the line?
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Most of the time, you would just get a "you wot m8" in return.
Aru does not verbally need to promise anything. It is not like they signed a damn contract about their agreement. It is just expected that if you work together to distance a mutual rival you won't attack each other in the same stage.
Why didn't Schleck/Contador sprint at the Tourmalet?
phil-i-am said:
Most of the time, you would just get a "you wot m8" in return.
Aru does not verbally need to promise anything. It is not like they signed a damn contract about their agreement. It is just expected that if you work together to distance a mutual rival you won't attack each other in the same stage.
Why didn't Schleck/Contador sprint at the Tourmalet?
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Exactly. Aru co-operated with Bertie to gap Uran for several kilometres and then sprinted for the line as everyone in that position sprints for the line. Reichenbacher (or whatever he's called) might be ****** at Intxausti after yesterday, but that's a completely different barrel of fish. If Bertie is rational there is no way he is ****** at Aru
SeriousSam said:
Exactly. Aru co-operated with Bertie to gap Uran for several kilometres and then sprinted for the line as everyone in that position sprints for the line. Reichenbacher (or whatever he's called) might be ****** at Intxausti after yesterday, but that's a completely different barrel of fish. If Bertie is rational there is no way he is ****** at Aru
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Maybe. Unlikely as the discussion went on for several kilometers. I saw three different times they were talking.
At the end it doesn't matter what you all think. It matters what they think. You have no idea what they discussed. What is clear is that the one second will not matter, and that Contador was at least slightly pissed. Aru will learn, and it won't matter in the end. This will pass.
phil-i-am said:
Maybe. Unlikely as the discussion went on for several kilometers. I saw three different times they were talking.
At the end it doesn't matter what you all think. It matters what they think. You have no idea what they discussed. What is clear is that the one second will not matter, and that Contador was at least slightly pissed. Aru will learn, and it won't matter in the end. This will pass.
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There was also nothing wrong with what Benat did, although I suppose some fans would like to see riders not doing their best to win and instead subscribe to their views of honour and respect.
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Intxausti attacked for the stage win. Aru attacked for one irrelevant second. Massive difference.
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Intxausti attacked for the stage win. Aru attacked for one irrelevant second. Massive difference.
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Was nothing gained, so was nothing lost. Contador isn't going to jeopardize his Giro to punish Aru, now, is he? Contador will do what's best for Contador. Aru can count on that, regardless of what happened today.
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It was a perfectly valid tactic. You could almost see it coming. Reichenbacher learned a lesson, but he would have been mad at Benat.
SeriousSam said:
It was a perfectly valid tactic. You could almost see it coming. Reichenbacher learned a lesson, but he would have been mad at Benat.
If anything it looked like Contador was the one who initiated the 'lets takes turns pulling and distance uran' arrangement. Riders work together all the time and its pretty much expected that when its time to sprint the cooperation is over. Its not like they were all taking turns and when it got to the end of Contadors pull Aru decided to launch a surprise attack.
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This is true. The one thing which makes it dumb is that it's fairly easy to see a similar tactical situation developing later. Say they distance Porte on a big climb, and say Contador is in pink by 30-45 seconds and Aru and Porte are closer together. Or even better, Aru is up by that time and Contador is close.
"Hey Alberto, help me distance this clown and I give you the stage win". Whoops.
Might never happen, but easily might. It's not that big a deal, but it's just dumb to make yourself un-trustworthy.
SeriousSam said:
This is true. The one thing which makes it dumb is that it's fairly easy to see a similar tactical situation developing later. Say they distance Porte on a big climb, and say Contador is in pink by 30-45 seconds and Aru and Porte are closer together. Or even better, Aru is up by that time and Contador is close.
"Hey Alberto, help me distance this clown and I give you the stage win". Whoops.
Might never happen, but easily might. It's not that big a deal, but it's just dumb to make yourself un-trustworthy.
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Have you possibly noticed that Aru sprinted not attacked? He had every right to do so. If you claim that giving 3 of 4 short turns automatically bounds your rivals finish behind you, then stop watching cycling. I guess Alberto himself don't care that much as you do.
sultanofhyd said:
Have you possibly noticed that Aru sprinted not attacked? He had every right to do so. If you claim that giving 3 of 4 short turns automatically bounds your rivals finish behind you, then stop watching cycling. I guess Alberto himself don't care that much as you do.
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No it was a sprint. There is no surprise factor in a sprint because everyone knows its a sprint.
sultanofhyd said:
No it was a sprint. There is no surprise factor in a sprint because everyone knows its a sprint.
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But he could he been pissed at himself for not being able to hold Aru's wheel in the sprint. This is nowhere in the league of chaingate. Even if there was a moment of bad feeling, it will pass quicker than on this forum.
red_flanders said:
But he could he been pissed at himself for not being able to hold Aru's wheel in the sprint. This is nowhere in the league of chaingate. Even if there was a moment of bad feeling, it will pass quicker than on this forum.
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Yeah, it's not a big deal in any way. Aru and Astana are doing the right thing, they are trying to gain time on Contador before the TT. Contador is probably pretty happy with the stage. He put some time into Uran and his shoulder held up ok for the demands of today's stage.
SeriousSam said:
Yeah, it's not a big deal in any way. Aru and Astana are doing the right thing, they are trying to gain time on Contador before the TT. Contador is probably pretty happy with the stage. He put some time into Uran and his shoulder held up ok for the demands of today's stage.
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