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Has Team Sky lost its mojo?

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ingsve said:
Sky has a team for the cobbled classics and not really for the ardennes so the fact that they were less prominent in AGR and LBL should come as no surprise to anyone.

As for RVV then you are mistaken. Going into the Eikenberg they still had six riders left in the main group which attests to the fact that they rode very well as a team that day. Unfortunately Flecha didn't have as good legs that day as he had in some of the other classics but overall it's wrong to say that they were invisible in RVV. Ultimately they ended with three riders in the group sprinting for 5th so if that's not enough then I guess only four riders got a passing grade in RVV?

This is a judgment call. I can certainly understand your point, but it's dependent on what you like to see. You point out, perfectly correctly, that they had 3 men in the big sprint group for 5th in Flanders... This doesn't mean they were prominent. At no point do I recall seeing a Sky being pro-active and trying to 'make the race' which is what I consider to be important. Tyler Farrar, for instance, in that big group outprinted George Hincapie and David Millar (to name but two). I guess it means Tyler Farrar had a 'better' Flanders... But I dont see it that way. My qualification for having is good race is how close you were to winning the actual thing. Both George Hincapie and David Millar were, at some point in the finale, on the attack and trying to win the race. Farrar never was, at any point, going to win Flanders. Ergo, David Millar's 20-something place in that sprinting group, is, to me, worth more to Farrar's 5th. I understand people will disagree with this, but it's what I consider important.


They're certainly not a bad team or anything, nor did I ever say that they were. In fact they're doing good for a 1st year team so far. But returning back too the original question, and the question that revived this thread yesterday. My question, I'll say it again, was about the drop in aggresiveness of Team Sky. In January, February, Early-March they were one of the most aggressive teams. Attacking, or riding on the front. And then I just stopped seeing that, and that was what my question was about.
 
Mambo95 said:
Some points in response:

1. I knew you'd dispute whether they did better than QS (at least Sky had a win). But QS are almost a pure classics team. That they matched them is pretty decent.

2. All teams (even Saxo) went AWOL in some races. You can't do well in them all. Sky did better than all but a few teams.

3. What were you expecting from them? They're a brand new team, with a key rider injured. If you thought they were an all conquering team who were going to win everything, then more fool you. They've never claimed to be the Man U of cycling, bar that Wiggins quote.

4. Manchester United haven't won much this season.

PS People like me who have been following cycling for about 25 years often refer to E3 as Harelbeke (it used to be called GP E3 Harelbeke. We also tend to call 'Omloop', Het Volk, just out of habit. But a newbie like you wouldn't remember the old days. A classics man like Leif Hoste refers to it as Harelbeke. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/hoste-on-home-turf. Perhaps you might like to be as stupidly patronising to him too).

Edit: Oh look! Tom Boonen calls it Harelbeke too. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/an-interview-with-tom-boonen-4. How stupid are you feeling now?


I meant on this forum... Surely that is obvious. I was going by the general parlance of the forum which always calls it E3 Prijs/Prize or sometimes just E3. I wasn't expecting the old terms here is all and it threw me off. You can call it Harelbeke-Antwerp-Harelbeke all you want, but it'll just confuse people.
 
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My question, I'll say it again, was about the drop in aggresiveness of Team Sky. In January, February, Early-March they were one of the most aggressive teams. Attacking, or riding on the front. And then I just stopped seeing that, and that was what my question was about.

early part of the season was about getting a new fanbase behind them and building confidence, so obviously strong performances were crucial, but also, and more importantly getting the grand tour invites, or at least justifying the tour invite as it was probably pre-agreed. Then the cobble where they performed reasonably well. In between its been more about preperation for the grand tours. There was always going to be a drop off after that initial showing off.

They havnt been aiming for gc's. they got the stage wins they wanted in PN and TA. Brad missed out on the TT in spain.
 
Phinney, Van Garderen and a few of those other new young americans are really annoying the sh.t out of me with their twitter comments about dopers returning.

I seriously hope Ricco' and co continue to kick *** just to annoy them.
 
Dekker_Tifosi said:
Phinney, Van Garderen and a few of those other new young americans are really annoying the sh.t out of me with their twitter comments about dopers returning.

I seriously hope Ricco' and co continue to kick *** just to annoy them.
Danny Pate is the worst, IMO. Today he tweeted:
The Giro will not save Italian cycling. But clean Italian riders could maybe do it.
To which Quinziato replied:
I don't think it's a problem just about my country and for sure you can't complain about how hard Italy is fighting it! Be fair!
Quinziato is right. Shut up Pate, you stupid hypocrite. Props to Bradley Wiggins for telling it like it is.
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
Phinney, Van Garderen and a few of those other new young americans are really annoying the sh.t out of me with their twitter comments about dopers returning.

I seriously hope Ricco' and co continue to kick *** just to annoy them.
why are you surprised ?

Check out this forum. Who are the most outspoken and polarizing pro or anti dopers ?

Why should the riders from america be any different :confused:
 
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Phinney does seem to be pretty naive about the doping situation in the pro peloton, I have a feeling he may be in for quite a shock when he moves to Retirement Shack next year.
 
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why are you surprised ?

Check out this forum. Who are the most outspoken and polarizing pro or anti dopers ?

Why should the riders from america be any different :confused:

Just took an assessment of your posting habits. Um...you sure seem to post in The Clinic quite a bit...
 
theyoungest said:
Danny Pate is the worst, IMO. Today he tweeted:

To which Quinziato replied:

Quinziato is right. Shut up Pate, you stupid hypocrite. Props to Bradley Wiggins for telling it like it is.


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This bullshit, propoganda war of words is spiralling out of control.
You would think they hadn't had any high profile dopers in the US, if you only read this spew.

Meanwhile folks prefer to attack Wiggins, the man/rider, for entertainment value, rather than recognise that, for once, he's got an opinion worth applauding.
 
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Mellow Velo said:
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This bullshit, propoganda war of words is spiralling out of control.
You would think they hadn't had any high profile dopers in the US, if you only read this spew.

Meanwhile folks prefer to attack Wiggins, the man/rider, for entertainment value, rather than recognise that, for once, he's got an opinion worth applauding.

Dude, you are not all that mellow today. What gives?
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
Phinney, Van Garderen and a few of those other new young americans are really annoying the sh.t out of me with their twitter comments about dopers returning.

I seriously hope Ricco' and co continue to kick *** just to annoy them.

Your pretty funny...mello too!! Sure Phinney and other young Americans tweet about their disgust of doping...but I have also read quite a few Dutch cyclists tweets RE:the recent doping issues...some Skil riders to be sure are just as vocal as Phinney et al.

I will give any rider the thumbs up if they have been racing clean and are disgusted with dopers in the sport...they have more of a right than anyone to say anything they want....twitter just happens to be the forum at the moment. Who cares if some Dekker Tifosi is upset...oh wait...where is Dekker???
 
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TeamSkyFans said:
well lets be realistic.. Cioni is hardly going to attack sastre and evans on the climbs and try and win the giro. A good result would be top 20, a very good result would be top 10, a positively spectacular result would be podium. theres not too many ways of doing that,
a) get in a big breakaway
b) wheelsuck

lets face it, the top ten in the tour last year all wheel-sucked save for contador. (dont take that statement too literally)

You're right, they have to play to their strengths... just tryin' to wind you up.
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
Phinney, Van Garderen and a few of those other new young americans are really annoying the sh.t out of me with their twitter comments about dopers returning.

I seriously hope Ricco' and co continue to kick *** just to annoy them.

It appears you must have missed the comments from Cavendish, Pinotti, and a bunch of Aussie's. It is far from a uniquely American position.
 
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Check out Wigans twitter response to Italian doping. Hardly only the Americans who are pointing out this issue.


So Franco has already hired a lawyer to fight his case!
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Brad's wife also had a few things to say

Cath wiggins twitter
right,now you can ****ing rain,just on Vino tho.
about 24 hours ago via web
 
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Race Radio said:
Brad's wife also had a few things to say

Cath wiggins twitter
right,now you can ****ing rain,just on Vino tho.
about 24 hours ago via web

I think she was more referring to the fact that vino was one of the riders who could have beaten brads time and taken pink from him.
 
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TeamSkyFans said:
I think she was more referring to the fact that vino was one of the riders who could have beaten brads time and taken pink from him.

I think you are right....funny line though. She sounds like a fun chick
 
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Race Radio said:
I think you are right....funny line though. She sounds like a fun chick

oh cath is nothing but straight up...

funny thing is, if cath says it, people think shes fun, feisty etc - if brad says it hes an a-hole :D
 
TeamSkyFans said:
oh cath is nothing but straight up...

funny thing is, if cath says it, people think shes fun, feisty etc - if brad says it hes an a-hole :D

Ok, what happened? What did someone do? The day after Mrs Wiggins' twitter is mentioned on here she closes her account... Did one of the internet heroes on here decide to send some abuse her way or something?
 
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BroDeal said:
A little left to be desired in the mojo department.

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I really don't get this forward thinking team riding in black. They are going to bake when it get hot in Italy. I remember Cervélo changing their kit mid season for this reason. Suppose it's one marginal gain they forgot to aggregate.
 
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Fester said:
I really don't get this forward thinking team riding in black. They are going to bake when it get hot in Italy. I remember Cervélo changing their kit mid season for this reason. Suppose it's one marginal gain they forgot to aggregate.

That's why they have the white back on the shirt. Or so they say. We'll see.