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Have bike makers gone mad?

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laziali said:
Runningboy,

I seriously doubt that you came close to as many wins as me. You would have had to be riding for your nation at representative level. No, didn't think so. The give away of course is your Kestrel - strictly a bike for triathletes - and I can recall AS A FACT that NO-ONE riding the national series in the late 80s or early 90s was riding a Kestrel.

Nice try chump.

Chump? okee dokee
I go for quality not quantity and how many times in the late 80's did you win a single purse that approached 3500? well i did :p
Anyway the point was that you said no one posting had any experience on a high end carbon bike, which makes you a liar...
and of course a fool for paying so much for a crappy bike
btw i didnt say I was racing on the Kestrel i said i won it
I raced my team Landshark, which i was riding Before Andy won the Giro
As far as sponsorship of teams Kestrel didnt sponsor any back then, then again back in the late 80's neither did Litespeed. Does that mean Huffy was a better road bike than Litespeed?
Bottom line my Kestrel was considered a high end bike. Your Cadex was a piece of junk, but i guess to a cat 2 it was a dream ride. I mean u would have to be a 2 to buy your own bike. Would u like to see my old Pro License? I might even let you hold it if you promise not to get your spooge all over it.
 
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RDV4ROUBAIX said:
Or you can punch your way out like Uma in Kill Bill. Aint that right Pai Mei?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZpw8NgL_2M

I believe it is called the "More expensive is better" technique. It is used by people to justify buyiing $7500 bikes. I believe it takes people 2009-1994= 15 years of training. Maybe if they had gone to visit Pai Mei they would have seen the Giant factory in his backyard and would have become enlightened.
 
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laziali said:
Chumpboy,
When you find yourself in a hole, the very best thing you can is stop digging.
Ferris Bueller you're my hero:p
again i would say Kestrel was considered top end carbon in late 80's, since they used bladder molds, as opposed to the crappy lets make a bunch o tubes cut em and then glue em back together into a frame. I think that Giant had more resin than carbon.
so not only are you still full of yourself, you are still full of sh!t
But you keep telling yourself the money you spent was well worth it.
Enjoy the ride
:D
 
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Still battling eh, Chumpboy?

It's a fact that nobody was racing a Kestrel on the national circuit. So, you've been caught out badly. Obfuscate as much as you like, but the fact remains.

As for justifying the price of my Colnago, the money is irrelevant to me - you see, money is relative to how much you have, not an absolute. So that make me objective on this thread, unlike, it would seem, others.

Good luck, work hard and hopefully you will be able to buy a top-line bike one day and so entitle yourself to an objective viewpoint on this topic.

Over and out on this thread. Last word goes to me, I believe.
 
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laziali said:
I have to laugh at all you posters criticising top end "pro" bikes when you've never owned one. A bit like people who have an opinion about whether Ferrari or Lamborghini is better.

Now for a comparison from someone who actually knows. My (carbon-era) bike history is:

1. 1994 Giant Cadex CFR1 with Ultegra STI. At the time brilliant, but these days very slow and heavy. Approx $3,000 when a bus ticket was 80cents

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Alright here is your lie. I won a Kestrel, a Kestrel was a top end Pro bike in the 80's plenty of PRO triathletes raced them. So that makes it a Pro bike, as one of the most expensive bikes of the time i would say that qualifies it as top end. Your Giant cadex which even years later did not approach the Kestrels price would hardly qualify as top end.

Obviously you feel a real need to try and build up your self esteem by coming here and claiming that you are more of an expert than anyone on this forum, you are a better rider, have more money, so you know what? I will indulge you. You are the best rider here, the Giant Cadex was widely known to be the best bike ever made(until your Colango) every Pro lusted after them but alas you got the only one. Which of course you rode to more victories than any rider in history. Ernesto actually consulted with you before jumping into carbon. as for me, i didnt win a $3600 carbon bike in a race, how could i? Obviously if there was such a prize you would have won it. I was never a Pro, in fact i have never ridden a bike let alone raced one, hell i can't even run. I weigh over 350 lbs at 95 % body fat, I have never held a job because i never graduated anywhere so of course you make far more money than i do, Basically i am nothing but a poor pathological liar who can only look at the tremendous joy you bring to all beings in this world.
You are truly a God
feel better now??????????
 
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back to near the topic, I just spent $9AUD on hot chips ($6USD on fries) and there wasn't even enough for me to get a handful before my mechanic our pet DH'er ate the whole lot. I can remember when $9 was enough to feed five BMXers and play Galaga for an hour.

Have chip makers gone mad? At least my $6000 crabon-fibre Crackonfale is horizontally stiff and vertically compliant, the chips I bought were so flexy you could safely describe them as being soggy.
 
badboyberty said:
back to near the topic, I just spent $9AUD on hot chips ($6USD on fries) and there wasn't even enough for me to get a handful before my mechanic our pet DH'er ate the whole lot. I can remember when $9 was enough to feed five BMXers and play Galaga for an hour.

Jeebus! Does everything in Australia cost two or three times what it does in the U.S.? I'd like to see a pic of those fries.

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For $6USD I can get this with large fries and a large drink.
 
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runninboy said:
Alright here is your lie. I won a Kestrel, a Kestrel was a top end Pro bike in the 80's plenty of PRO triathletes raced them. So that makes it a Pro bike, as one of the most expensive bikes of the time i would say that qualifies it as top end. Your Giant cadex which even years later did not approach the Kestrels price would hardly qualify as top end.

Just to weigh in on this argument a little bit, I was at the local book store and flicking through the bum-sniffing book by Wilcockson on Armstrong. The photo pages had at least one photo of Lance racing and winning a triathlon on a Kestrel.
 
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BroDeal said:
Jeebus! Does everything in Australia cost two or three times what it does in the U.S.? I'd like to see a pic of those fries.

For $6USD I can get this with large fries and a large drink.

I am not sure how many Norwegians are on this forum, but I visited their wonderful country back in 1997. A Big Mac meal was the equivalent of AUD$24 and a pint of beer AUD$12. Lovely country, but damn expensive.
 
BroDeal said:
Jeebus! Does everything in Australia cost two or three times what it does in the U.S.? I'd like to see a pic of those fries.

20090819-carlsjr-bigcarl.jpg


For $6USD I can get this with large fries and a large drink.
as good as that looks, there are a lot fat people here in the good old
u.s.a. if it was not so inexpensive, what would be the result? :cool:
 
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having sat an read quite a few pages - a reponse was provoked by the discussion regarding independant testing from cycling magazines and such like and the demand for it.

My only conern with this type of testing is some on the very subjective meaures that are involved in bicycle performance. Even the definition of performance itself is called into question - time over a certain distance? time saved over a distance? power to weight? ride feel?

How can someone accurately measure ride feel and then convey this measurement to other people - it would be incredibly difficult as every rider is different and expects/wants different things from their bicycle.

The australian magazine 'Ride' does do this type of independant testing in terms of placing a weight on the pedal and measuring the distance the frame flexes (distance moved from fixed point of no weight) at this given load (i believe it is 50kgs) in specific positions on the bicycle frame.

I would have to question the validity of this measure -as the only comparible real life scenario this would every occur is if you were to stand stationary on your bike whilst the bike is fixed into position. The realisation of the independant tests is refreshing however - as it provides clear cut data in which you can compare against bike on test.

If the UCI, for example, standardised bicycle performance tests so that the consumer is able to accurately determine performance characteristics of the bicycle (or components), then maybe this information would become more accessible and consumers could make their own decisions based on the data that has been provided, with a basic understanding of the tests themselves. (it is worthy to note that UCI is only an example body which wcould perform these objective tests - im not sugguesting it is their duty and/or purpose in which to do this).

I must say however - the amount of times i sit and read "fastest frame on the market", "lightest framset", "quickest TT bike of 2009" is unbelievable. I believe it is boarderline false advertisement and it can be severely misguiding for the consumer. Standardised testing procedures for the consumer would reduce this significantly.
 
bigmiksears said:
having sat an read quite a few pages - a reponse was provoked by the discussion regarding independant testing from cycling magazines and such like and the demand for it.

My only conern with this type of testing is some on the very subjective meaures that are involved in bicycle performance. Even the definition of performance itself is called into question - time over a certain distance? time saved over a distance? power to weight? ride feel?

How can someone accurately measure ride feel and then convey this measurement to other people - it would be incredibly difficult as every rider is different and expects/wants different things from their bicycle.

The australian magazine 'Ride' does do this type of independant testing in terms of placing a weight on the pedal and measuring the distance the frame flexes (distance moved from fixed point of no weight) at this given load (i believe it is 50kgs) in specific positions on the bicycle frame.

I would have to question the validity of this measure -as the only comparible real life scenario this would every occur is if you were to stand stationary on your bike whilst the bike is fixed into position. The realisation of the independant tests is refreshing however - as it provides clear cut data in which you can compare against bike on test.

If the UCI, for example, standardised bicycle performance tests so that the consumer is able to accurately determine performance characteristics of the bicycle (or components), then maybe this information would become more accessible and consumers could make their own decisions based on the data that has been provided, with a basic understanding of the tests themselves. (it is worthy to note that UCI is only an example body which wcould perform these objective tests - im not sugguesting it is their duty and/or purpose in which to do this).

I must say however - the amount of times i sit and read "fastest frame on the market", "lightest framset", "quickest TT bike of 2009" is unbelievable. I believe it is boarderline false advertisement and it can be severely misguiding for the consumer. Standardised testing procedures for the consumer would reduce this significantly.

Well, the bottom line is that there are really only 3 things you can 'measure' about a bicycle. Weight and price and Cd in a wind tunnel W/O a rider on it(big $). SO, these 'results' become selling points. Cervelo does this in spades. Low Cd, low weight, high price? Must be a great frame/bicycle.

BUT how it 'feels' is subjective. Try describing to somebody else what an orange tastes like, same thing.
 
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elapid said:
I am not sure how many Norwegians are on this forum, but I visited their wonderful country back in 1997. A Big Mac meal was the equivalent of AUD$24 and a pint of beer AUD$12. Lovely country, but damn expensive.

I'm surprised that none of the Norwegians have weighed in on this one yet! Consumer prices are a perverse point of pride/disgust here.

We took our son to McDs this past weekend. Two adult meals, one happy meal was NOK 230...about $39 US.

I look at it positively, we don't eat fast food crap hardly at all = better health. And when we do, well the quality of said burger is better than any McDs burger I've ever eaten in the states.

A 0,5L beer in a pub in Oslo will run 75-85 NOK...about $13 US....
 
flyor64 said:
I'm surprised that none of the Norwegians have weighed in on this one yet! Consumer prices are a perverse point of pride/disgust here.

We took our son to McDs this past weekend. Two adult meals, one happy meal was NOK 230...about $39 US.

I look at it positively, we don't eat fast food crap hardly at all = better health. And when we do, well the quality of said burger is better than any McDs burger I've ever eaten in the states.

A 0,5L beer in a pub in Oslo will run 75-85 NOK...about $13 US....

Took a Fjord cruise 2 years ago on the Hurtegruten(sp?) line. From Bergen to Kirkennes. Spectacular, I must say but a beer was $11, a night's stay in a average hotal was about $280 per night. Light dinner in a cafe in Oslo was $90..yes, expensive but great trip.
 
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velodromer said:
...Corima track frame. ... I was thinking in the four thousand dollar range.

The lady who quoted me the price was really nice. She told me it was $9,500 but if I wanted paint, it would be an additional $500. Yes, paint. This was a frameset only.

My custom Look track frame hanging in my storage area is about eleven years old, or so. It was purchased for much more than US$10,000. I don't know exactly. It was given to me.
 
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fixie/freewheeler.


replace cog/chain/chainring when needed :eek:

new components prices suck donkeyballz........................... no matter what company

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tubularglue said:
fixie/freewheeler.


replace cog/chain/chainring when needed :eek:

new components prices suck donkeyballz........................... no matter what company

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What about the custom paint job? Very nice though!