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Don't know about there, but where I live on the North Carolina coast is definitely pan flat. The biggest "climb" is a man made bridge out to the barrier islands.
Gotta say that article by Neal Rodgers article on Valverde was self-indulgent journalism at its finest - A pointless article that could have been written back in 2012.
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Apart from the ones who won maybe 1 or 2 races in a season etc, is there any other rider who tied their personal record for number of wins in a season, 15 years apart? Does that not say something?
Koronin said:
Apart from the ones who won maybe 1 or 2 races in a season etc, is there any other rider who tied their personal record for number of wins in a season, 15 years apart? Does that not say something?
All this anglo-saxon media hysterics need to put a mirror in front of themselves and calm down a little bit.
After they have calmed down, they then need to read, watch and learn about the sport they are writing about.
Then maybe they can stop saying things like that now the sport has changed, this era is magically cleaner, there are fewer riders "doping" and so on.
If only they would give us 1 Euro each time we have heard that...
After they have calmed down, they then need to read, watch and learn about the sport they are writing about.
Then maybe they can stop saying things like that now the sport has changed, this era is magically cleaner, there are fewer riders "doping" and so on.
If only they would give us 1 Euro each time we have heard that...
I'm no Valverde fan, but damn, folk would rather see Michael Woods whose palmares fits on a post-it note as the World Champion than one of the biggest cycling champions of all time? Cut the ***, please
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*** it would've been hilarious if Tom Leezer had won in 2016.
I don't think being a big name means you necessarily have to root for them.LaFlorecita said:
*** it would've been hilarious if Tom Leezer had won in 2016.
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I'm beginning to think in some of these cases they just want a rider that speaks English (or at least does interviews in English). They need to get over themselves and realize that Spanish is widely spoken language and no one is required to do interviews in English.
LaFlorecita said:
I'm beginning to think in some of these cases they just want a rider that speaks English (or at least does interviews in English). They need to get over themselves and realize that Spanish is widely spoken language and no one is required to do interviews in English.
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If a low profile rider is your fave then sure, root for him. But you can't deny Valverde is a much more deserving World Champion than Woods would have been.Red Rick said:
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In fact, if Woods or Bardet had tactically outmanouevred Valverde I would consider them more deserving than him, like in 2013.
I don't think there's a thing like being entitled to win something.LaFlorecita said:
In fact, if Woods or Bardet had tactically outmanouevred Valverde I would consider them more deserving than him, like in 2013.
I find that it is always nice to have a great rider win the world championship. At least we are going to see the world champion show off the stripes honorably and take some wins the following year. It is also usually the case that a big rider wins the world championship. At least if you look up the latest winners, the only name that stands out slightly is Rui Costa, whose biggest feats were 2 Tour de Suisse wins and a few Tour stage wins before his WC title. Actually by this logic, I should be happy that Breschel didn't win in 2010. Not sure I am though...
Moscon and Poels winning would be bad because they are Sky-bots but Leezer winning would be nice?
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Of course not, you have to win it to earn it. However it is a World Championship, which by default means the winner is the best in the world. Now this doesn't work that way in cycling for many reasons, but a high profile winner ensures the jersey keeps its value.Red Rick said:
But guys, come on, Woods would be the better 'story'! You gotta remember he speaks english and was very good at running a few years back! Please, Valverde wearing the jersey instead of a one trick without any palmarés is most definitely better for cycling. I hate mediocre world champions, thankfully we havent seen too many lately.
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Although it would have been hilarious for a moment, it would have been Woods winning, squared, in terms of ridiculousness. Fortunately it didn't happen.tobydawq said:
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I was just about to post that from 1999 to 2003 we had three comparably very low-profile winners in Freire (the first time), Vainsteins and Astarloa. At least I hadn't heard about Astarloa when he won but at that time I was 11 and could only watch the Tour, so he might have been more well-known to others. Vainsteins too for that matter.
Libertine Seguros said:
I was just about to post that from 1999 to 2003 we had three comparably very low-profile winners in Freire (the first time), Vainsteins and Astarloa. At least I hadn't heard about Astarloa when he won but at that time I was 11 and could only watch the Tour, so he might have been more well-known to others. Vainsteins too for that matter.
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Yea, Vegas has a lot of 50-300 ft long hills with like 3-8%. There is a 20 mile road that is 4-10% so fun to go down. Red Rock is pretty good for cycling. Vegas helps you handle the heat, cold, and rain when it finally does because it pours but the drivers are very bad.
On Valverde I hope he wins GdL to end the year. AGR, FW, LBL, CSS, and 3 Giro and Vuelta stages with points and KoM jersey. I don't see why everyone wants to see him ride the cobbles as there is no point know.
Koronin said:
Yea, Vegas has a lot of 50-300 ft long hills with like 3-8%. There is a 20 mile road that is 4-10% so fun to go down. Red Rock is pretty good for cycling. Vegas helps you handle the heat, cold, and rain when it finally does because it pours but the drivers are very bad.
On Valverde I hope he wins GdL to end the year. AGR, FW, LBL, CSS, and 3 Giro and Vuelta stages with points and KoM jersey. I don't see why everyone wants to see him ride the cobbles as there is no point know.
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He was not a nobody, that's for sure. But in a battle against Nibali, Valverde and Rodriguez, he was surely the outsider that ran away with it. And I don't think anybody has ever really considered Rui Costa the greatest (or even one of the top 3 greatest) cyclist in the world at any point throughout his best days. Unlike the rest of recent winners who have all been given that stamp at some point. Anyway, the point is just that Valverde is clearly one of those with a "best rider in the world"-stamp, so I like him as a new world champion rather than, say, Woods.LaFlorecita said:
Rui Costa has never really been a top-10 cyclist - maybe in 2013, but thats about it. Before winning the Worlds definitely not. That was without a doubt his best year, once he moved to Lampre he was decent and got lots of great placements in one week races, but never really found that TdF or Worlds shape.
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Vainsteins was very-very good at the time.
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=158&year=2000&all=0¤t=0
Edit: Freire was sketchy as *** though - that he got selected and then making the final selection
tobydawq said:
Vainsteins was very-very good at the time.
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=158&year=2000&all=0¤t=0
Edit: Freire was sketchy as *** though - that he got selected and then making the final selection
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Yeah, that's a high tally but he didn't really seem to have had any big wins before the Worlds and I have just heard older people than me speaking about it coming a bit out of nowhere. He certainly showed consistency in that season, though, but crumbled very shortly after (that of course has nothing to do with his status at the time of the win).
roundabout said:
Yeah, that's a high tally but he didn't really seem to have had any big wins before the Worlds and I have just heard older people than me speaking about it coming a bit out of nowhere. He certainly showed consistency in that season, though, but crumbled very shortly after (that of course has nothing to do with his status at the time of the win).
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To be fair, his 2014 season as world champion was almost as good as his 2013 season, if you go by positions rather than wins. But I agree about the general point. He sticks out.Valv.Piti said:
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