Teams & Riders He's coming home!!!! Alejandro Valverde comeback thread.

[Mr.White]

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How wasn't he sure about his strenght when he just said he had the legs to win?

He knows now, didn't know then

Exactly. I think he was unsure of his legs going in. He saw that he won the sprint for 3rd and thought that given the right circumstance, he could have won. He certainly wasn't supremely confident in them like he was at Flèche and Liège. He wasn't strong enough to go after Alexis, bringing the group, and then outsprint them all as he did in Liège.

If he was feeling great at that moment he would have gone with Dan when he went after Alexis. It would have been a classic Valverde move and he was in a good position to do it.

And you think everyone will allow an attack of Valverde? In that way he drags Froomey,Purito and the others in his wheel along and risks the possibility of a counter of Purito or someone else. Along with Sagan he is the most marked rider.

You mean like at LBL? You obviously didn't understand my post at all. Again, he's not on the form he had in the Ardennes.

Clearly not in that form, but he's going in that direction. Still with little luck, or little help, he would of won today

 

[jaylew]

Agreed.

 

[Moviestar]

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How wasn't he sure about his strenght when he just said he had the legs to win?

He knows now, didn't know then

Exactly. I think he was unsure of his legs going in. He saw that he won the sprint for 3rd and thought that given the right circumstance, he could have won. He certainly wasn't supremely confident in them like he was at Flèche and Liège. He wasn't strong enough to go after Alexis, bringing the group, and then outsprint them all as he did in Liège.

If he was feeling great at that moment he would have gone with Dan when he went after Alexis. It would have been a classic Valverde move and he was in a good position to do it.

And you think everyone will allow an attack of Valverde? In that way he drags Froomey,Purito and the others in his wheel along and risks the possibility of a counter of Purito or someone else. Along with Sagan he is the most marked rider.

You mean like at LBL? You obviously didn't understand my post at all. Again, he's not on the form he had in the Ardennes.

You're saying by yourself that Valverde could have gone with Martin , but even with that form he had in the Ardennes; action is followed by reaction especially in the Tour.

 

[BigMac]

Why are finding the man excuses when he himself has said he should have gone with Martin and that he had the legs to win the stage? He failed, there's nothing more to it.

 

[classicomano]

#TeamValverde never gave a *** about anyone but #TeamValverde, it will never change. Tomorrow hes gonna try his best to drop Quintana in the TTT on the last climb and kill his entire team.

 

[jaylew]

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You're saying by yourself that Valverde could have gone with Martin , but even with that form he had in the Ardennes; action is followed by reaction especially in the Tour.

I have no idea what you're trying to say.

 

[Angliru]

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#TeamValverde never gave a **** about anyone but #TeamValverde, it will never change. Tomorrow hes gonna try his best to drop Quintana in the TTT on the last climb and kill his entire team.

You really can't be serious.

 

[SeriousSam]

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You're saying by yourself that Valverde could have gone with Martin , but even with that form he had in the Ardennes; action is followed by reaction especially in the Tour.

I have no idea what you're trying to say.

Valverde cannot just ride away from the leading group and expect people not to follow the way Martin is still allowed to despite his successes

 

[Billie]

Everybody needs to stop whining. Valverde has been working for Quintana this week. Last 30 kms of Fridays stage Valverde kept Quintana in a good position.

 

[Mr.White]

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Everybody needs to stop whining. Valverde has been working for Quintana this week. Last 30 kms of Fridays stage Valverde kept Quintana in a good position.

Valverde had a free role for Tour's first week, rest of the team protected Quintana. That's why you didn't saw Valverde working for Nairo, but that's why also Valverde didn't had support for example in today's stage. From now on mountains will sort things out, if Valverde will be able to hang on with the best, Movistar will have advantage of double GC threat, allowing one of them to attack and other to follow, with Nairo always in protected position. But if Alejandro fails in the mountains, he will simply be domestique de luxe for Quintana

 

[elfed68]

There's no way in hell Valverde was riding for Quintana, they're both joint GC men. Once the time differences change we'll see some sort of natural leadership.

 

[orangerider]

With Piti ahead by 9 seconds, he ain't going to be working for anyone. He sees a weakened Nibali as his chance for a podium finish. Won't put in more than a seconds worth of energy for Quintana.

 

[jaylew]

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You're saying by yourself that Valverde could have gone with Martin , but even with that form he had in the Ardennes; action is followed by reaction especially in the Tour.

I have no idea what you're trying to say.

Valverde cannot just ride away from the leading group and expect people not to follow the way Martin is still allowed to despite his successes

Uh, yeah. That's why I mentioned LBL.

 

[Arredondo]

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With Piti ahead by 9 seconds, he ain't going to be working for anyone. He sees a weakened Nibali as his chance for a podium finish. Won't put in more than a seconds worth of energy for Quintana.

But Bala should know that reaching a Tour podium is out of his reach. He's just not good enough as a climber to challenge the likes of the big four + Purito and Tejay (who really stepped up this year).

 

[ILovecycling]

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#TeamValverde never gave a **** about anyone but #TeamValverde, it will never change. Tomorrow hes gonna try his best to drop Quintana in the TTT on the last climb and kill his entire team.

No, he is not such an idiot.

 

[Netserk]

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With Piti ahead by 9 seconds, he ain't going to be working for anyone. He sees a weakened Nibali as his chance for a podium finish. Won't put in more than a seconds worth of energy for Quintana.

But Bala should know that reaching a Tour podium is out of his reach. He's just not good enough as a climber to challenge the likes of the big four + Purito and Tejay (who really stepped up this year).

When he is at his best he is a better and more consistent climber than Purito.

 

[Billie]

he always finishes ahead of Rodriguez. only time it didn't happen was tour 2013 because of his flat tire before the echelons

 

[Arredondo]

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With Piti ahead by 9 seconds, he ain't going to be working for anyone. He sees a weakened Nibali as his chance for a podium finish. Won't put in more than a seconds worth of energy for Quintana.

But Bala should know that reaching a Tour podium is out of his reach. He's just not good enough as a climber to challenge the likes of the big four + Purito and Tejay (who really stepped up this year).

When he is at his best he is a better and more consistent climber than Purito.

But not in the Tour. No way.

When Purito is at his best, he's a better climber in the high mountains. Just look at the Alps '13 and Vuelta 2012. Purito would never falter like Bala did in last years Tour clims.

 

[Mr.White]

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With Piti ahead by 9 seconds, he ain't going to be working for anyone. He sees a weakened Nibali as his chance for a podium finish. Won't put in more than a seconds worth of energy for Quintana.

But Bala should know that reaching a Tour podium is out of his reach. He's just not good enough as a climber to challenge the likes of the big four + Purito and Tejay (who really stepped up this year).

When he is at his best he is a better and more consistent climber than Purito.

Exactly! As well as TJ, he might step up as much as he like, but Bala in top form is unreachable for him

 

[Arredondo]

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he always finishes ahead of Rodriguez. only time it didn't happen was tour 2013 because of his flat tire before the echelons

No, because Purito was a level above him in the Alps. He and Quintana dominated the last weak.

 

[Arredondo]

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With Piti ahead by 9 seconds, he ain't going to be working for anyone. He sees a weakened Nibali as his chance for a podium finish. Won't put in more than a seconds worth of energy for Quintana.

But Bala should know that reaching a Tour podium is out of his reach. He's just not good enough as a climber to challenge the likes of the big four + Purito and Tejay (who really stepped up this year).

When he is at his best he is a better and more consistent climber than Purito.

Exactly! As well as TJ, he might step up as much as he like, but Bala in top form is unreachable for him

That's just nonsense. Bala in the Tour is a really vulnerable climber. Pyrenees 2007, Pyrenees 2008, Alps 2013, Pyrenees 2014. Just some examples.

Purito is better in the high mountains. Vuelta mountains are not comparable with Tour mountains.

 

[Netserk]

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With Piti ahead by 9 seconds, he ain't going to be working for anyone. He sees a weakened Nibali as his chance for a podium finish. Won't put in more than a seconds worth of energy for Quintana.

But Bala should know that reaching a Tour podium is out of his reach. He's just not good enough as a climber to challenge the likes of the big four + Purito and Tejay (who really stepped up this year).

When he is at his best he is a better and more consistent climber than Purito.

But not in the Tour. No way.

When Purito is at his best, he's a better climber in the high mountains. Just look at the Alps '13 and Vuelta 2012. Purito would never falter like Bala did in last years Tour clims.

Valverde beat Purito in the 2012 Vuelta...

 

[Arredondo]

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With Piti ahead by 9 seconds, he ain't going to be working for anyone. He sees a weakened Nibali as his chance for a podium finish. Won't put in more than a seconds worth of energy for Quintana.

But Bala should know that reaching a Tour podium is out of his reach. He's just not good enough as a climber to challenge the likes of the big four + Purito and Tejay (who really stepped up this year).

When he is at his best he is a better and more consistent climber than Purito.

But not in the Tour. No way.

When Purito is at his best, he's a better climber in the high mountains. Just look at the Alps '13 and Vuelta 2012. Purito would never falter like Bala did in last years Tour clims.

Valverde beat Purito in the 2012 Vuelta...

Doesn's say anything. One really strange day. Purito was better the whole Vuelta. So perhaps not less consisent, but surely better

I'm even surprised you actually think he's better in the high mountains in a Tour. He never showed that.

 

[Mr.White]

And in every other GT, bar 2013 Tour, in which he would beat him also if not for that crosswind stage

 

[Arredondo]

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And in every other GT, bar 2013 Tour, in which he would beat him also if not for that crosswind stage

You don't read my arguments. I say he's better in the high mountains in the Tour. Tour 2013 proved that. Without that crosswind stage Bala would not have reached the podium. Froome, Quintana and Purito were the best. That's too easy to say. I can also say Bala was lucky Purito crashed before the Pyrenees

Vuelta 2012 Purito was better in the mountains. In Vuelta 2013 and 2014 Piti was more consistent. The fact Bala finished higher in 2012 isn't relevant. Purito showed there he was the better climber, just watch Bola del Mundo.

Valverde is a climber who was dropped by Ten Dam, Van Garderen, Bardet, Pinot in the Pyrenees. What a climber