Hincapie's book

[Race Radio]

George has zero regrets about what he did. None. Kinda understandable as he got away with it. He did all the dope that Lance did and only got 6 months. Got a big hotel, fancy cars, lots of $$.

Regret is for losers

 

[mewmewmew13]

I assume you are joking.

Cycling has plenty of doping poster children. Germany crucified Ullrich and Telekom. Cofidis, Rabobank, Landis, Mayo, Heras, etc, etc.

Wonderboy was the biggest star so he got lots of attention in the US but he was hardly singled out......but I can see how some fanboys might perceive it this way if they only followed one rider

THIS
you might need to reread it zig...

Wonderboy made sure he was the 'Golden One'...so his whining about getting a 'raw deal' just doesn't cut it

 

[mewmewmew13]

btw just got an email ad from Amazon suggesting I might buy his book...

I may just have to add a review though

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i...e-pal-book-stuck-spin-cycle-article-1.1798763

So what does Floyd think?

There’s a new book coming from George Hincapie, a guy from Queens who owes what little name recognition he has to the hardcore doping program he followed as Lance Armstrong’s sidekick.

Floyd Landis, has seen a copy, and saw few surprises in it. “I was surprised to see that George colluded with Lance to get their talking points straight,”

Hincapie is desperate to have people think some of the rides were legitimate. “A junkie like George doesn’t just quit on his own after 15 years of abusing pharmaceutical products, so I’m not buying it and I doubt anyone else will, either,”

Crucial propaganda came from OLN (now NBCSN), the cable network whose head-in-the-sand coverage of the Tour de Lance generated a rising tide of marketing dollars that lifted the boat of nearly every American company in cycling. Sure enough, one of the network’s chief Armstrong cheerleaders, Craig Hummer, stepped up to co-author Hincapie’s book.

 

[WildspokeJoe]

Landis says what EVERYONE knows.


"Hincapie is desperate to have people think some of the rides were legitimate. “A junkie like George doesn’t just quit on his own after 15 years of abusing pharmaceutical products, so I’m not buying it and I doubt anyone else will, either,”


I hate the fact that riders like Hincapie and O'Grady can't admit they doped their entire careers.

 

[zigmeister]

I assume you are joking.

Cycling has plenty of doping poster children. Germany crucified Ullrich and Telekom. Cofidis, Rabobank, Landis, Mayo, Heras, etc, etc.

Wonderboy was the biggest star so he got lots of attention in the US but he was hardly singled out......but I can see how some fanboys might perceive it this way if they only followed one rider

THIS
you might need to reread it zig...

Wonderboy made sure he was the 'Golden One'...so his whining about getting a 'raw deal' just doesn't cut it

Ullrich. So the Court of Arbitration finally did something in 2011 after what, 15yrs of doping. Alright, you got something there. And removed his results to 2005? Why not all the way back to 2007? Statute of limitations? Only evidence of Operacion Puerto applied? Ok, likely.

Rabobank? Haha...another good one!! It keeps getting better. Yes, way to go UCI after the entire LA blow up, they decide to get "serious" about anti-doping and go after them. And the fact is, Rabobank pulled sponsorship to avoid any associtation with the team. Really had nothing to do with the UCI/WADA for that matter. Landis, Ricco...sure, two that got what they had coming to them. The very very few in between the many who have been given opportunities time and time again for their complicity into the years of doping, stone cold busts, lie/fight the charges, then finally admit. Hey, finally, a ban! Other people, just come forward and give us a little info, 6-8 month ban, you are good to go, over Winter by the way! So you can resume racing and not miss a beat. A few other have received longer sanctions. I mentioned Operacion and so forth, where there were real attempts by local authorities to get involved, I applaud those efforts. But many haven't got very far still years later.

Race Radio and mewmewmew13, "fanboy", whining", get a grip, do a little searching on my posts about LA. I said since the beginning the guy was likely doping. I'm no apologist for him or anybody who doped.

Find where I've ever said LA was given a raw deal? OK, exactly, your statements are a simple attack against myself, really makes you look a little stupid right when you won't find me apologizing for LA, or any rider who dopes.

 

[Benotti69]

Landis says what EVERYONE knows.


"Hincapie is desperate to have people think some of the rides were legitimate. “A junkie like George doesn’t just quit on his own after 15 years of abusing pharmaceutical products, so I’m not buying it and I doubt anyone else will, either,”


I hate the fact that riders like Hincapie and O'Grady can't admit they doped their entire careers.

I hate the fact that sport still welcomes these f##kers with open arms, but then the sport is full of f##kers cut from the same cloth!

 

[blackcat]

I cant imagine hincapie's book being ghost written, he must have had a clairvoyant to channel his inchoate memories and senses. it just seems to underplay the role of ghost writer in this instance.

god bless George, when god decided to give out steering stem and brain stem he skipped george

 

[Race Radio]

Ullrich.

You are confused.

You wrote

who else was made the poster child of the doping era???

If you spent any time in Germany you would know that Ullrich, and the Telekom team, were destroyed by the media in Germany. The German broadcaster even stopped broadcasting the Tour. Riders and staff from Festina, and Once were tossed in jail. There is a current criminal investigation into several members of the Rabobank staff, including Lienders

I could go on, and on, and on......lance is just one of many dopers to be exposed

 

[mewmewmew13]

quote zig:
"If there is really one, and pretty much only one thing I agree with LA & Company on is, they were pretty much all doping, most teams. Yet LA took a big hit/fall for others. Besides Festina and Operacion Puerto, which nobody was made out to be Lucifer like LA and Postal, who else was made the poster child of the doping era??? Nobody else was on Oprah doing a two-day interview about doping during this time in cycling?"

my comment was direction at this misconception that LA was singled out unfairly.

My comment re 'raw deal' is what LA has said over and over and over ...was not trying to attribute that "quote" to you.

It is obvious why Armstrong was on Oprah..his choice..he thinks he is 'ghod of cycling' and has always put himself on a special pedestal.

 

[Herbstrong]

USADA really had no choice but to give those guys deals to land the big fish Lance to make an example out of. This is where Tygart loses respect and credibility IMO. He still wouldn't say if Lance did cooperate, would he have only got a 6-8 month suspension like the others. (That means, NO, we are going to roast him to pump our own egos up and try to make an example.)

You must not talk about USADA or Tygart in such manner or question them in any way. He can do no wrong.

 

[Walkman]

I hate the fact that sport still welcomes these f##kers with open arms, but then the sport is full of f##kers cut from the same cloth!

There are too many rotten eggs that are still in the game. Riis for one, how the f*ck can that guy be allowed to be a DS? Martinelli is another one. The garmin boys got off with a 6 months ban during the off season?!

Heck, JV shouldn't even be in the game. Did nothing until Lance was thrown under the bus by everyone, in order to save his own ***. Then we have all the riders. Ivan freaking Basso who only intended to dope during the Tour. Insulting our intelligence by trying to sell us pure bull****.

The sad thing is, our sport is rotten. Right down to the core. On every level there are dopers and cheaters. I get upset only by thinking of it.

 

[DirtyWorks]

The sad thing is, our sport is rotten. Right down to the core. On every level there are dopers and cheaters. I get upset only by thinking of it.

Why do you hate winners?

This one goes next to Kim Jong-un's fascinating book about North Korea

 

[Granville57]

Heck, JV shouldn't even be in the game. Did nothing until Lance was thrown under the bus by everyone, in order to save his own ***.

That's actually not true.

Too bad JV never posted here. He might've explained that bit. Oh well.

 

[alanshearer]

You must not talk about USADA or Tygart in such manner or question them in any way. He can do no wrong.

I have no problem with USADA giving deals to riders in return for their cooperation. I also don't have a problem with the likely fact that those deals were lighter than any kind of deal that would have been provided to Armstrong. I do think the actual deals they got were ridiculously light, especially considering most of the suspensions were served during the offseason.

But I don't think you can hold those deals against the riders that got them, as it's my understanding they weren't told they would get that type of deal, if any, if they cooperated. I also think that, in the long run, those deals hurt them more than anything, as they led to some degree of backlash, especially against those that haven't shown any remorse and continue on as if nothing significant had really happened (Hinacapie, Leipheimer and Danielson).

The deals also didn't help them, because very few really believe that they were completely honest with USADA, with regard to conveniently stopping doping in 2006 and 2007. And USADA's credibility here has taken a hit, because it seems to be the only one that actually believes they stopped when they said they did. I'd certainly like to see USADA bust one of these guys and hand out a life time ban for lying on their affidavits.

 

[Archibald]

Side bar, pretty sad how NBC had CVV doing side-by-side commentary with Paul during the TOC. Just shows the dichotomy of media, general public, and USAC in general as it relates to cycling/doping.

who cares? he's not running a team or teaching juniors to dope. And someone's got to replace ligget at some point...

I cant imagine hincapie's book being ghost written, he must have had a clairvoyant to channel his inchoate memories and senses. it just seems to underplay the role of ghost writer in this instance.

Sally Jenkins anyone?

 

[Walkman]

That's actually not true.

Too bad JV never posted here. He might've explained that bit. Oh well.

I know he has.

But that does not changed the fact. He kept quiet as a mouse even in 2005-2010, did he not?

 

[Race Radio]

I know he has.

But that does not changed the fact. He kept quiet as a mouse even in 2005-2010, did he not?

Nope, Talked to USADA in 2004.

 

[thehog]

Heck, JV shouldn't even be in the game. Did nothing until Lance was thrown under the bus by everyone, in order to save his own ***. Then we have all the riders. Ivan freaking Basso who only intended to dope during the Tour. Insulting our intelligence by trying to sell us pure bull****.

The sad thing is, our sport is rotten. Right down to the core. On every level there are dopers and cheaters. I get upset only by thinking of it.

JV was writing statements for Lance so he could steal. $12m from SCA.

JV has a direct line to the UCI get arrange 0-6 months suspensions for his riders.

JV is your friendly neighborhood doper. Special treatment for special person. I'm sure he's made just as much money if not more than Hincapie.

Life.

 

[86TDFWinner]

JV is your friendly neighborhood doper. Special treatment for special person. I'm sure he's made just as much money if not more than Hincapie.

Life.

Probably right, but both are completely FOC, and I doubt many believe a word out of eithers mouthes

 

[sniper]

Nope, Talked to USADA in 2004.

if So why did it usada So long to act?
and why he never talKed to Wiggins?

 

[Walkman]

Nope, Talked to USADA in 2004.

I was actually referring to public statements, such that could have helped Floyd and Tyler when they spoke out. Or just something to try and improve the situation. Talking to USADA was still safe, no risk in doing that, so it's not really a big thing. Everyone can act when there is no risk.

Heck, did he not try and contract Contador? It's like signing a young Lance...

 

[thehog]

Probably right, but both are completely FOC, and I doubt many believe a word out of eithers mouthes

Correct. There is no difference between Hincapie 2006 "I want clean cycling" non-confession to JV non-confession fence sitting from 2006 to 2012.

In fact JV 1999 & 2005 was propagating the myth.

Well done to Jv. He took advantage of a market opportunity and it made him rich. But he's no different that Hincapie.

Life.

 

[Digger]

Nope, Talked to USADA in 2004.

And his words were so vague as to be deemed worthless.

 

[Digger]

Floyd did get nailed, not helped by greg interjecting himself into the situation, yet he's ok with pantani and indurain...strange...

Anyway, the people in the George book about how amazing he is, it's quite a list. Cycling is in safe hands.