Hincapie's book

[Dear Wiggo]

Nope, Talked to USADA in 2004.

And then talked to Cycling News in 2005:

But as far as Vaughters could see in the USPS team, "there was no first-hand evidence of anything (doping-related). I didn't see any evidence of EPO or anything like that. But that said, I wasn't there for the second and third weeks of the Tour," he said. (US Postal lost Jonathan Vaughters after he was caught up in the second fall over the Gois on stage 2. He was part of Armstrong's plan for the mountains.)

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=features/2005/vaughters_1999

 

[RownhamHill]

And then talked to Cycling News in 2005:

There's actually quite a lot of nuance in that statement for anyone paying attention, isn't there?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

There's actually quite a lot of nuance in that statement for anyone paying attention, isn't there?

Only if they ever doped during the tour, which is patently false.

And only with hindsight.

 

[SundayRider]

There's actually quite a lot of nuance in that statement for anyone paying attention, isn't there?

Not really, I think the fact the totally lied about EPO when he had taken it himself and knew all the ins and outs totally wipes out the fact the fact that years later a tiny hit can be taken from the second part of the sentence.

 

[Race Radio]

I was actually referring to public statements, such that could have helped Floyd and Tyler when they spoke out. Or just something to try and improve the situation. Talking to USADA was still safe, no risk in doing that, so it's not really a big thing. Everyone can act when there is no risk.

Heck, did he not try and contract Contador? It's like signing a young Lance...

He had all of his staff and riders talk to USADA and back up what Floyd and Tyler said. I used to think that it is better for it to be fought out in public but it is clear working directly with USADA and not spilling it out into the media was the smart thing to do.

You may think it was a not a big deal but Travis, and all the folks at USADA, would disagree with you. Lance and Johan also disagree with you, JV is their #1 enemy.

 

[Race Radio]

And his words were so vague as to be deemed worthless.

You might deem them worthless, but USADA did not.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

]He had all of his staff and riders talk to USADA and back up what Floyd and Tyler said. I used to think that it is better for it to be fought out in public but it is clear working directly with USADA and not spilling it out into the media was the smart thing to do.

You may think it was a not a big deal but Travis, and all the folks at USADA, would disagree with you. Lance and Johan also disagree with you, JV is their #1 enemy.

Vaughters supports Zabriskie after Landis accusations
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vaughters-supports-zabriskie-after-landis-accusations

Asked if Landis’ statements were consistent with anything he might have witnessed during his tenure at Postal, Vaughters said, “Everything he’s talking about is well after my time with the team. What can I say about them flying to see (UCI president Hein Verbruggen) in 2002? Floyd’s comments post-dated my existence there.”

From 2007 through 2009 Vaughters and Lim developed new methods of aiding performance, including the use of cooling vests prior to time trials, and restricting the consumption of gluten products during training and competition. In the fall of 2009 Lim left the Slipstream Sports organization to work with Armstrong and Bruyneel at RadioShack.

 

[Race Radio]

Vaughters supports Zabriskie after Landis accusations
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vaughters-supports-zabriskie-after-landis-accusations

This may come as a surprise to some but Cyclingnews, and the forum, to not sanction riders. USADA does that.

Garmin team’s management says its riders must cooperate with Landis investigation

We cannot change what happened in the past. But we believe it is time for transparency.

We expect anyone in our organization who is contacted by any cycling, anti-doping, or government authority will be open and honest with that authority. In that context, we expect nothing short of 100% truthfulness – whatever that truth is – to the questions they are asked.

Isn't this a Hincapie thread?

 

[thehog]

Vaughters supports Zabriskie after Landis accusations
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vaughters-supports-zabriskie-after-landis-accusations

Lim? I feel much safer now... cycling is in good hands with JV and the Lim-ster.

Is JV opening a hotel as well?

Good times with clean cycling the JV/Hincapie way.

The only guy he put his balls on the line was Landis but there's several who are profiting from that event.

Reminds me of Wall St bankers who profited from the rise and then the fall. Nice work if you play your cards right and sit on the right fence.

 

[thehog]

And his words were so vague as to be deemed worthless.

JV spoke to USADA under the condition of anonymity and that he name was mentioned. What could USADA do with that? Nothing.

Then JV supported Lance at SCA.

Thats whats known as playing both to see which way the cards are dealt. If Landis never came to the fore JV would still be supporting Radioshack and Lance's 15th Tour win.

 

[86TDFWinner]

I got a huge laugh out of this statement(from that article you posted RR), I haven't laughed this hard in a good long time. Nice of JV to think the entire cycling community are a bunch of schleps. He actually believes his own nonsense. JV's a compulsive liar, he lies to cover up his past lies.

“Our next step is to win this race clean and under any level of scrutiny that any one would like to place on us. We’ve always been a completely open book as far as anti-doping authorities [and] scrutiny from the media [are concerned]. We’ve never closed doors on anyone and anything,” Vaughters said.

 

[Digger]

You might deem them worthless, but USADA did not.

They did...and while we are at it, a while ago you said JV was on the podium of people who brought down lance...
here you say he's the number one person hated by lance...ahead of Floyd!!!

 

[Digger]

JV spoke to USADA under the condition of anonymity and that he name was mentioned. What could USADA do with that? Nothing.

Then JV supported Lance at SCA.

Thats whats known as playing both to see which way the cards are dealt. If Landis never came to the fore JV would still be supporting Radioshack and Lance's 15th Tour win.

fact is that, no matter how many times Race says otherwise, what JV said to USADA in 2004 was considered worthless. There was nothing they could do about it. And that's not me making it up, that's been told to me.

 

[thehog]

fact is that, no matter how many times Race says otherwise, what JV said to USADA in 2004 was considered worthless. There was nothing they could do about it. And that's not me making it up, that's been told to me.

I agree. Whatever JV said to USADA it was pointless. Knowing JV it would have been vague information about "possible" doping at "some point".

JV is the Sergio Berlusconi of cycling. Pretending to do good whilst enriching himself.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

SO, Hincapie's book ...is it out yet>

 

[unamused]

I thought JV and Lance became buds after Oprah or did that go sour already

 

[Race Radio]

fact is that, no matter how many times Race says otherwise, what JV said to USADA in 2004 was considered worthless. There was nothing they could do about it. And that's not me making it up, that's been told to me.

USADA does not agree with you. The fact is JV, shortly followed by Frankie/Betsy, are what started USADA on the road to taking down Lance. JV getting his riders and staff to testify was huge. You can pretend it wasn't, and image what he may have said, but USADA does not agree with you

Anyways, back to Hincapie.

 

[thehog]

I thought JV and Lance became buds after Oprah or did that go sour already

Brothers in arms.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013...s-talking-about-moving-cycling-forward_287358

When asked about Armstrong’s comment by another Twitter user, Vaughters replied, “Nothing to see here, just two fallen angels discussing what lies beneath,” quickly followed by, “Honestly, we probably get along better now than we have in 20 years. Weird, I know.”

Armstrong quickly replied, “Dude, shhh, don’t tell anybody that!” His reply was a very public acknowledgment that, after years of defiance, which included disparaging those who spoke out against doping in cycling (including Vaughters), the disgraced Tour champ is now openly engaging with those he formerly viewed as enemies.

Both men spoke with VeloNews about their improbable reunion of sorts.
The culture of doping as common ground
Armstrong said he had initially reached out to Vaughters after reading an opinion piece he had written, posted on Cyclingnews.com, which stated that it was wrong to blame Armstrong for the culture of doping in cycling. “The fact of the matter is that it is our entire fault. We, the people who make up the world of professional cycling, are to blame,” Vaughters wrote.
“I reached out to him and thanked him for his op-ed he wrote on Cyclingnews,” Armstrong said. “I felt it was a thorough, thoughtful, and accurate account of our generation.”

Over time, the two became conversational, with the focus centered around what contribution Armstrong might be able to offer in the push to salvage pro cycling, which has seemingly bottomed out in the wake of the USADA report on the sport’s biggest star and the doping practices that brought him seven straight Tour victories, from 1999 through 2005.

 

[Race Radio]

Mandatory that every thread eventually become about JV/SKY/Froome

Back on topic. George is doing a book release party at the Core Club in NYC . at 7PM the 29th. Free booze, everyone welcome, stop on by

 

[mattghg]

Mandatory that every thread eventually become about JV/SKY/Froome

I'd noticed that

 

[Digger]

USADA does not agree with you. The fact is JV, shortly followed by Frankie/Betsy, are what started USADA on the road to taking down Lance. JV getting his riders and staff to testify was huge. You can pretend it wasn't, and image what he may have said, but USADA does not agree with you

Anyways, back to Hincapie.

I think there's a Mennonite and a Federal agent somewhere out there who thinks otherwise...


Anyway yeah George

Is Race Radio on a parallel matrix style universe where Floyd landis hasn't yet been born???

 

[RownhamHill]

Only if they ever doped during the tour, which is patently false.

And only with hindsight.

Not really, I think the fact the totally lied about EPO when he had taken it himself and knew all the ins and outs totally wipes out the fact the fact that years later a tiny hit can be taken from the second part of the sentence.

Bear in mind the article is asking him specifically about the 1999 tour, in the light of the epo positives that had come up in 2005. My commentary in square brackets.

But as far as Vaughters could see [what about what Vaughters suspected, or had heard about?] in the USPS team, "there was no first-hand evidence [what about second hand evidence? what about what he suspected?]of anything (doping-related). I didn't see any evidence of EPO or anything like that. [Again, that's a very narrow scope, nothing in that to suggest he didn't know what was going on, just that he didn't actually see it] But that said [that's an expression usually used to acknowledge the weakness of your position isn't it?], I wasn't there [so not seeing anything at a tour that I wasn't actually present at is not really a completely ringing endorsement] for the second and third weeks of the Tour," he said. (US Postal lost Jonathan Vaughters after he was caught up in the second fall over the Gois on stage 2. He was part of Armstrong's plan for the mountains.)

Non-denial denial. Google it.

 

[fatandfast]

George is genius. He has avoided be labeled as a doper even after he said he was one. He has lasered in on the next middle age man trend, cycling is the new golf, and got himself to the front of the pack on offering hotel based cycling camps to old guys. Great food, comfortable rooms and rides with bike legends for @3500 bucks for 8 days.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

This is not the Vaughters thread. Stay on topic. Further off-topic postings will be deleted and sanctions given.

 

[elizab]

I posted pages of George's book on my facebook page which anyone can read. It's https://www.facebook.com/betsy.andreu It really is comedic. You know he was an outspoken anti-doping advocate suited best to steer young riders? He was like Peter Parker! These are just two of the take aways. Oh yeah, Travis and Frankie are pretty much unethical. Really, it's funny but it's not meant to be funny. I don't have the book, just posted some of the best pages which were sent to me. It's under my post "I'm going to stop eating bon bons, watching soaps and yelling at Frankie..."