Horner to Skip Tour de Suisse -- Take 2

[Barrus]

I am aware that the UK has different laws. I would assume (and perhaps that is a grievous error) that Horner could sue my bum off in the UK for that post, but somehow I doubt that he will.

The bigger question is whether CN can be held responsible for what non-employees post on a public forum. I don't see how they could be, but I am far from a legal expert, especially concerning UK law. Not to derail the thread topic completely, but if anyone knows the answer to that I would be curious to hear it. Thanks.

In general they can't, unless they have actual knowledge about the situation. For more information, see the Electronic COmmerce Regulations 2002 and the Directe it was based on, most commonly known as the E-commerce directive, this all in combination with prepatory documents concerned with the creation of these legal documents and subsequent court cases. However it is just bad form and reflects wrongly on both this forum as well as CN in general to create false quotes and to create threads based on these false quotes.
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But concerning the real subject of the thread, if Horner cannot maintain his diet during the Tour de Suisse how will he be able to maintain this diet during the tour de France, would it not be neccessary for him to change diets due to the fact that he will need to be in Europe for 3 weeks at least?

 

[Maxiton]

Horner claims to have arrived at his magic resurgence by finally, at 39, getting a handle on his diet. I think there's more to it than that. I think he has a secret, and the secret is . . .

High Cadence.

As a reward for his loyalty, Lance chose to share this secret with his special friend. And now, using this technique, combined with the no-junkfood diet, and despite not being able to do a prep race in Europe because of the poor food availability there, Chris Horner is set to put the Tour on its

Ear,

very much in the manner of the master, Armstrong. I can hardly wait.

 

[ricara]

Thanks for the legal info Barrus.

And thanks to Barrus and everyone else for their contributions to the real topic of this thread. When I read that silliness from Horner regarding his reasons for not riding the TdS, I was really, really glad that I was not drinking some milk. Keyboards don't work so well after getting a milk shower...

 

[D-Queued]

This is the biggest BS excuse I've ever heard in my life. If after so many years of riding in Europe he can't figure out a way to manage his diet, there is something seriously wrong with him.

I've spent time in developing countries that don't have half the infrastructure that Western European countries have, and it was still possible to prepare balanced, nutritious meals without missing anything I would find at home as far as fruits, vegetables and fresh meat is concerned.

What he's probably doing is storing blood and making sure he doesn't race under those conditions. It would seem as if he's out of shape riding with one or two less units of blood that will be transfused on those Tour rest days.

Thank you, Berzin, and well stated. My thoughts exactly.

Yes, ALL of his statement reflects my thoughts.

Horner is FOS.

Where does he think his prized beet diet comes from? Ever heard of Borscht?

The ancestor of cultivated Beetroot grows wild on the seashores of southern Britain, through Europe and Asia, as far as the East Indies

If he cannot figure out how to eat in Europe, where they have more of his favorite foods than the US, then how on earth does he anticipate racing there?

This is a complete smokescreen, and is even dumber than facts4lance.

Dave.

 

[Granville57]

If he cannot figure out how to eat in Europe, where they have more of his favorite foods than the US, then how on earth does he anticipate racing there?

To play devils advocate:
I'm assuming that his argument will be that once he is actually racing in the TdF, it will be easy for him to keep his weight in check due to the daily caloric burn. But you'd have to ask him.

This is a complete smokescreen, and is even dumber than facts4lance.

Now, Dave, that is just downright mean.
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Once the sun comes up, I'll be curious to hear from some of the SoCal guys that actually know Chris and have ridden with him.

I'm out for now...

 

[peterst6906]

I don't have a particular view either way on Horner missing the TdS. I don't really see him as a serious contender for the TdF anyway.

I am feeling sorry for him though.

Once he retires from cycling, he's going to blow up to 600 lbs in no time.

 

[Martin318is]

(And to the person who accused me of slander by altering Horner's quote, there was a case before the Supreme Court -- New York Times v. Sullivan, 1964 -- that applies a different standard for libel when applied to public figures. One article noted "The Sullivan case was hugely important, better safeguarding the press to challenge, criticize, and satirize elected officials and public figures.")

and meanwhile - any person has the right to sue for liabel if that liabel is published in the UK. This means that if a copy of Sports Illustrated (to pick something at random) were to be sold in the UK with an article claiming that...<insert silly claim about famous American figure here> then that person would be able to create a legal case in the UK.

to put it another way - being an idiot is being an idiot and just because you are an American idiot doesn't mean that American law protects your idiotic comments in countries that are NOT America...

(for those reading this, I am not saying that he is an idiot because he is American, I am saying he is an idiot AND American)

 

[Martin318is]

It is not libel if it is parody..

Again, this is wrong -- see my post above

 

[Von Mises]

What he's probably doing is storing blood and making sure he doesn't race under those conditions. It would seem as if he's out of shape riding with one or two less units of blood that will be transfused on those Tour rest days.

Skipping TdS is not a proof alone. Dopers (Armstrong etc) have always ridden Dauphine or Suisse.

Secondly, I would guess for purely logistical ans security reasons, it is easier to make withdrawls and storing in Europe instead of States (how do you get blood from States to France?).

 

[Race Radio]

Once the sun comes up, I'll be curious to hear from some of the SoCal guys that actually know Chris and have ridden with him.

I'm out for now...

Chris has a great rep in SoCal. Will talk with anybody about bike racing all day long. Hard to find anyone that will say a bad word about him.

Regardless of whatever his program may, or may not, be he has always had a huge engine. He is by far the most talented American stage race of the last 20 years. If he had better guidence and made better personal decisions his career would have been much different. He has always had issues with his weight and ablity to adapt to the Euro way.

 

[Benotti69]

i wonder if Horner is getting his possible forthcoming Clenbuterol positive in this years TdF prepared by going to mexico?

 

[veganrob]

What total BS the beet juice thing. Really, if Horner and Lim discovered the magic of beet juice, the Fountain of Youth" do you really think they would be broadcasting it for everyone to know. Hell no. It is a total diversion. Horner is doped to the gills.
And being a nice guy, giving good post race interviews and such does not make him clean. It makes him a nice doper.

 

[thirteen]

Yes, ALL of his statement reflects my thoughts.

Horner is FOS.

Where does he think his prized beet diet comes from? Ever heard of Borscht?

The ancestor of cultivated Beetroot grows wild on the seashores of southern Britain, through Europe and Asia, as far as the East Indies

If he cannot figure out how to eat in Europe, where they have more of his favorite foods than the US, then how on earth does he anticipate racing there?

This is a complete smokescreen, and is even dumber than facts4lance.

Dave.

as an american living in europe, i can honestly say that it is easier to eat healthier here (europe) than it was back home. fresh veggies and fruits are abundant and taste a hell of a lot better here as well.

the only problem, sometimes, is that they typically have what is in season rather than the whatever-you-want-whenever-you-want-it ethos in the U.S... and then there's the slight issue with E. coli at the moment but hopefully they've finally nailed the cause -- bean sprouts.

beets, to my knowledge, are in the clear

 

[markene2]

I really like Horner. But just changing his diet. C'mon. Its more to it than that. It might have helpt him though. No doubt about he is doping.

Still hope he does well in the TDF

 

[acoggan]

What total BS the beet juice thing.

So far, 5 out of 5 studies from 3 different labs have shown a positive effect on performance. That is on top of probably >100 studies showing other physiological effects, e.g., a reduction in blood pressure.

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the "beet juice thing" led to another Nobel prize related to the NO pathway...

 

[veganrob]

So far, five out of five studies from 3 different labs have shown a positive effect on performance. That is on top of probably >100 studies showing other physiological effects, e.g., a reduction in blood pressure.

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the "beet juice thing" led to another Nobel prize related to the NO pathway...

YOu mean better than EPO, corticosteroids, testosterone, clenbuterol, HGH, Hemassist, etc.
Is that what you mean?
Because I know very well of the health benefits of it. As a vegan athlete I have studied many, many hours on the benefits of a plant based diet and nowhere have I heard of an example like this.
Lets get real

 

[acoggan]

YOu mean better than EPO, corticosteroids, testosterone, clenbuterol, HGH, Hemassist, etc.
Is that what you mean?

Your words, not mine.

Because I know very well of the health benefits of it. As a vegan athlete I have studied many, many hours on the benefits of a plant based diet and nowhere have I heard of an example like this.
Lets get real

I am being "real": there are numerous studies showing that drinking beet root juice has numerous physiological effects, including enhancing exercise performance in normal individuals, athletes, and patients with peripheral arterial disease.

 

[richtea]

I just can't take Chris Horner seriously. I think it's his comedy accent.

 

[veganrob]

Your words, not mine.

Did you not see the question mark? So answer for me that.


I am being "real": there are numerous studies showing that drinking beet root juice has numerous physiological effects, including enhancing exercise performance in normal individuals, athletes, and patients with peripheral arterial disease.

As I said, I am well aware of the benefits of beet juice and many other natural foods and herbs. Most drugs have come from a plant basis. I firmly believe that I am much healthier on my veegan diet for 33 years than i would be on another. No matter how clean. I also believe that if I was put on a "program" as many professional athletes, even Horner, that I would be a faster, stronger cyclist. I however choose not to be a doper. I am very happy with who and what I am.

 

[Boeing]

Horner claims to have arrived at his magic resurgence by finally, at 39, getting a handle on his diet. I think there's more to it than that. I think he has a secret, and the secret is . . .

High Cadence.

As a reward for his loyalty, Lance chose to share this secret with his special friend. And now, using this technique, combined with the no-junkfood diet, and despite not being able to do a prep race in Europe because of the poor food availability there, Chris Horner is set to put the Tour on its

Ear,

very much in the manner of the master, Armstrong. I can hardly wait.

don't forget he learned to hydrate and endure extreme body temp in a sauna from Carmichael and attended CTS camp one winter

that put him over the top

 

[Topangarider]

don't forget he learned to hydrate and endure extreme body temp in a sauna from Carmichael and attended CTS camp one winter

that put him over the top

Was he able to get a leadville 100 entry for buying a 2 day, $1300 Carmichael camp?

 

[Escarabajo]

Chris has a great rep in SoCal. Will talk with anybody about bike racing all day long. Hard to find anyone that will say a bad word about him.

Regardless of whatever his program may, or may not, be he has always had a huge engine. He is by far the most talented American stage race of the last 20 years. If he had better guidence and made better personal decisions his career would have been much different. He has always had issues with his weight and ablity to adapt to the Euro way.

You are confusing me. You are sending double meaning signals here.

 

[mastersracer]

An equally plausible alternative to the "late-career doping success" account is that some riders are now finding more success against a less-doped peloton. Some riders are going backwards as a result of likely riding cleaner (e.g., Hincapie and Zabriskie) while others may be doing better. For the record, Horner was in the 0 level on the UCI secret suspicion list. I doubt those making the standard Armstrong references have anything more specific to support their claims...

 

[VeloCity]

An equally plausible alternative to the "late-career doping success" account is that some riders are now finding more success against a less-doped peloton. Some riders are going backwards as a result of likely riding cleaner (e.g., Hincapie and Zabriskie) while others may be doing better. For the record, Horner was in the 0 level on the UCI secret suspicion list. I doubt those making the standard Armstrong references have anything more specific to support their claims...

Nothing specific, no, but any rider on a Bruyneel-led team is justifiably viewed with skepticism. Personally, I'd no more trust a Bruyneel rider to be clean than I would anyone who rode for a Saiz-led team.

 

[gobuck]

Chris is a nice guy doing well in Europe. I believe that to to get results in Europe you have to dope. I wish it wasn't true but I think it is. Chris is still a nice guy and so are most of the other pros. Does that mean they all dope? No, but most do.