Hour Record Official Discussion Thread

[Lupi33]

Seems like Bobridge started way too fast.

Also proves that a 4km pursuit is something entirely different than an 1 hour effort. Not all pursuiters can hold that speed that long

yep, dumb, very dumb
the guy didnt plan it too well at all

 

[Jancouver]

yep, dumb, very dumb
the guy didnt plan it too well at all

And he changed his gearing at the last minute too. Went with a larger gear. Those are basic rookie mistakes, just unbelievable ... what a tool ... 😱

Just wait for Wigo, he will start at 50 and finish at 60km/h 😎

 

[PeterB]

All things considered, his probably biggest mistake was scheduling his attempt a few months too late. What could have been not long ago a record performance, is now epic fail according to some...

 

[jens_attacks]

All things considered, his probably biggest mistake was scheduling his attempt a few months too late. What could have been not long ago a record performance, is now epic fail according to some...

i don't think that it's the same in these forumz. people know that with such bikes allowed by the uci the serious performances should start from 52,5-53 km/h and above.
jack normally would have beaten brandle imo but like already said in the previous posts, he made some very big mistakes. i won't say epic fail though, it's very good that people realize how tough is the hour. i will remember his pain for a while, he was completely dead

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

All things considered, his probably biggest mistake was scheduling his attempt a few months too late. What could have been not long ago a record performance, is now epic fail according to some...

These records are a joke though because of the UCI rule change. Voigt is an old man and Br?ndle is hardly a TT specialist......

There was nothing record breaking about their performances, they just exploited the rule change. When Wiggo or even Dennis start their hour record attempt it will be obvious to everybody how trivial these attempts by Voigt, Br?ndle, Bobridge, Dekker et cetera are.

I don't want to be too harsh against somebody who just raced their guts out for an hour, but it's all a stupid farce because of the rule change. If you compare these records to the ones set by people on comparable bikes, they're not remotely close to being records. Maybe calling it 'exploiting' and 'a farce' is a bit too much, but it can't be stressed enough that the only reason these riders are getting the record is because of the rule change, not because of their physical capability.

 

[M Sport]

All things considered, his probably biggest mistake was scheduling his attempt a few months too late. What could have been not long ago a record performance, is now epic fail according to some...

It wasn't a few months too late and it was a spectacular failure. They set their pacing marks at 53km and then went out of the gun at 55kph, absolutely riduculous. My question is what is the point of having your coach trackside if you just ignore the pacing strategy.

Had he actually aimed at 52.5 - 53 he would have beaten the record.

My guess is the focus was on holding out Rohan next weekend instead of actually beating the record. Some Obree analysis here which is pretty much spot on http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/02/o...bridge-should-try-again-in-four-or-five-days/ I doubt you will see Jack have another go in the next week though.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I do wonder why Dennis doesn't do an attempt on altitude though

 

[Alpechraxler]

Voigt is an old man and Br?ndle is hardly a TT specialist......

If you look at the speed graphic you can see 3 things, Bobrifge went out of steam and was unable to pace his effort well.

Voigt paced himself well and really digged deep in the last part.

Br?ndle is a big powerful guy with a good TT and he paced himself really well. The record was for sure well planned and the plan even better executed. So that makes him still a worth world record holder according to the actual rules.

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

If you look at the speed graphic you can see 3 things, Bobrifge went out of steam and was unable to pace his effort well.

Voigt paced himself well and really digged deep in the last part.

Br?ndle is a big powerful guy with a good TT and he paced himself really well. The record was for sure well planned and the plan even better executed. So that makes him still a worth world record holder according to the actual rules.

When Wiggo, Cance or Martin does an attempt Br?ndle's performance will be put into perspective........

Nothing against Br?ndle. Decent TT, decent all-round rider. But he isn't the type of rider who should be holding an hour record. The only reason he got a world record is because of a silly change in rules and because he was opportunistic and got the record before any specialist attempted it under the new rules.

 

[Jancouver]

When Wiggo, Cance or Martin does an attempt Br?ndle's performance will be put into perspective........

Nothing against Br?ndle. Decent TT, decent all-round rider. But he isn't the type of rider who should be holding an hour record. The only reason he got a world record is because of a silly change in rules and because he was opportunistic and got the record before any specialist attempted it under the new rules.

Spartacus is no longer interested in this "race" as he was planning to beat the "real" 1h record. 😎

 

[PeterB]

When Wiggo, Cance or Martin does an attempt Br?ndle's performance will be put into perspective........

Nothing against Br?ndle. Decent TT, decent all-round rider. But he isn't the type of rider who should be holding an hour record. The only reason he got a world record is because of a silly change in rules and because he was opportunistic and got the record before any specialist attempted it under the new rules.

Distances that were achieved, distances that could be achieved, distances that are going to be achieved... that's all fine, but the situation at present is as it is and attempts happen as they happen. What will you say after Wiggo achieves whatever distances he will achieve? Based on your logic you should disregard it as a record until it's compared to Martin's attempt... and Cance's... and maybe by that time someone new will start smashing TTs,then what - will you still be unhappy about the record holder? Or is there some list of "genuine" candidates and none other may ride the hour?

This record contest is different to let's say records in athletics. In athletics, every athlete participating in a competition automatically participates in a record attempt. Here it's different - it is the contest only between those who choose to participate. In this sense, and taking into account UCI's decision, it is so far contest between Sosenka, Voigt, Brandle, and Bobridge. Not even McGee, who was mentioned as previous Australian record holder...

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

The thing is, they completely changed the rules for what kind of bikes are allowed. Everybody knows that Sosenka, Boardman et cetera put in much better performances than Voigt and Br?ndle. The only reason Voigt and Br?ndle got the record is because the UCI randomly decided to change the rules as to what types of bikes are allowed.

If you compare Voigt's and Br?ndle's rides with those who attempted the hour ride on similar bikes, they don't come close to being close to the record. I think Rominger and Boardman also did attempts on bikes that are more comparable to what Voigt and Br?ndle used and they did >55km, which makes it kind of pathetic to call Br?ndle the record holder for the hour record. We have perfectly documented performances under similar rules that are leagues ahead of Br?ndle. When Br?ndle and Voigt and Bobridge do this, I'm comparing them to riders who did it under similar conditions; and all of the specialists who attempted the hour record under similar conditions did it much better. The only reason Br?ndle holds the hour record rather then Boardman or Rominger is because the UCI is being inconsistent with its rules and Br?ndle was opportunistic in order to get his name in the history books.

So I'm saying wait till Wiggins does it to put it into perspective, because he has shown world class track skills and world class long TTing skills, which prompts me to think that his time will be more comparable to Rominger and Boardman and will show that Br?ndle just did a clever opportunistic ride made possible by the UCI messing with the rules.

 

[Alpechraxler]

Romingers blood passport would be an epic fail, so i do not have that much of a problem with "reseting the WR times".

 

[roundabout]

Romingers blood passport would be an epic fail, so i do not have that much of a problem with "reseting the WR times".

Took the words right from my keyboard.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Spartacus is no longer interested in this "race" as he was planning to beat the "real" 1h record. 😎

Nothing to stop him trying to if he thinks that the recognition of traditionalists/Luddites (delete according to preference) makes it worthwhile. It hasn't been banned, just won't be UCI recognised.

 

[nhowson]

The thing is, they completely changed the rules for what kind of bikes are allowed. Everybody knows that Sosenka, Boardman et cetera put in much better performances than Voigt and Br?ndle. The only reason Voigt and Br?ndle got the record is because the UCI randomly decided to change the rules as to what types of bikes are allowed.

If you compare Voigt's and Br?ndle's rides with those who attempted the hour ride on similar bikes, they don't come close to being close to the record. I think Rominger and Boardman also did attempts on bikes that are more comparable to what Voigt and Br?ndle used and they did >55km, which makes it kind of pathetic to call Br?ndle the record holder for the hour record. We have perfectly documented performances under similar rules that are leagues ahead of Br?ndle. When Br?ndle and Voigt and Bobridge do this, I'm comparing them to riders who did it under similar conditions; and all of the specialists who attempted the hour record under similar conditions did it much better. The only reason Br?ndle holds the hour record rather then Boardman or Rominger is because the UCI is being inconsistent with its rules and Br?ndle was opportunistic in order to get his name in the history books.

So I'm saying wait till Wiggins does it to put it into perspective, because he has shown world class track skills and world class long TTing skills, which prompts me to think that his time will be more comparable to Rominger and Boardman and will show that Br?ndle just did a clever opportunistic ride made possible by the UCI messing with the rules.

There's no point getting angry at Br?ndle (as some are, not you). Unfortunately it's necessary if they want to change the rules. Personally, I don't think they should have been changed and then Cance could have had a go at Sosenka's, which would have been a real effort. There's no reason that these track bikes etc. shouldn't have been used to go for Best Human Effort records. Oh well. Also I think the last record that would be comparable to these attempts was Boardman's in '93, the others used Obree specials/"wide" tri-bars or were Rominger . Whether superman bars would be enough for 4.5kms is a different debate.

As for Bobridge, disappointed he didn't get it, like the guy. Got to consider the TDU efforts, but obviously we'll never know. Dennis will go high 52s I think.

 

[elfed68]

Spartacus is no longer interested in this "race" as he was planning to beat the "real" 1h record. 😎

It doesn't matter which record Spartacus is going to attempt, Wiggins is going to smash it out of every rider's reach!!

We all know what happens when he sets his sights on something.

 

[elfed68]

There's no point getting angry at Br?ndle (as some are, not you). Unfortunately it's necessary if they want to change the rules. Personally, I don't think they should have been changed and then Cance could have had a go at Sosenka's, which would have been a real effort. There's no reason that these track bikes etc. shouldn't have been used to go for Best Human Effort records. Oh well. Also I think the last record that would be comparable to these attempts was Boardman's in '93, the others used Obree specials/"wide" tri-bars or were Rominger . Whether superman bars would be enough for 4.5kms is a different debate.

As for Bobridge, disappointed he didn't get it, like the guy. Got to consider the TDU efforts, but obviously we'll never know. Dennis will go high 52s I think.

Doesn't it reinforce the Hour Record's provenance when a respected rider fails?

 

[ralphbert]

Nothing against bobridge but I'm glad an attempt was unsuccessful, it gives some legitimacy to the current holder and it much better theatre when a completely broken rider needs to be assisted off the torture machine. Yens looked like he has just popped down the shops FFS.

 

[elfed68]

Nothing against bobridge but I'm glad an attempt was unsuccessful, it gives some legitimacy to the current holder and it much better theatre when a completely broken rider needs to be assisted off the torture machine. Yens looked like he has just popped down the shops FFS.

My thoughts exactly, only goes to show how impressive was Jen's attempt.

 

[Samson777]

Romingers blood passport would be an epic fail, so i do not have that much of a problem with "reseting the WR times".

Haha.. And today everybody is on bread and water, so it's all good..??

Okay just realized this is not the clinic, so don't answer that I guess. But really...

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Doesn't it reinforce the Hour Record's provenance when a respected rider fails?

Bobridge butchered his own attempt by starting way too fast, so no, not to me. Not in this case. I guess he couldn't cope with the pressure, but that doesn't make it any better.

I hope he can bounce back from this, though.

 

[happychappy]

My thoughts exactly, only goes to show how impressive was Jen's attempt.

Jens Voigt.. is ridiculous. I'm extremely happy Bobridge beat Voigts time.

 

[Echoes]

Nothing to stop him trying to if he thinks that the recognition of traditionalists/Luddites (delete according to preference) makes it worthwhile. It hasn't been banned, just won't be UCI recognised.

recognition of real cycling fans, period.

And would it matter if it's no longer UCI sanctioned? Don't change roles. The UCI made a disastrous mistake, not Cancellara.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Don't change rules.

Quote edited for what I assume was a typo, otherwise it made no sense

No small boys to be allowed to operate bellows while riders re-forge their own frames.