Hour Record Official Discussion Thread

[Pippo_San]

It will stand at least a couple of years, if not a generation (like 5 years or so). Maybe a fully recovered Phinney at altitude could do something.
Martin? Not so sure about it...

 

[Shame]

Who can blame him for a bit of fading at the end? Crushed it.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

If Martin, Malori, Dumoulin or Dowsett do an attempt at altitude (mexico) then this record won't hold.

 

[the sceptic]

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If Martin, Malori, Dumoulin or Dowsett do an attempt at altitude (mexico) then this record won't hold.

Dawg should go for it.. That would be funny.

 

[Pippo_San]

Dowsett has absolutely ZERO chances to break this record.
Dumoulin all the same.

Malori? Don't think so.
Martin? Maybe, but he really should switch focus. And he's got everything to lose.

 

[ebandit]

Re: super

Not better than Rominger. Doesn't feel like a real record to me.

but given that the superman position has been outlawed we have a new record from .............brad

how much faster could brad have gone............flying superman?

Mark L

How much faster could Rominger have gone flying superman?

rominger's position would not now be legal?

Mark L

 

[Volderke]

Congratulations on your 55.291 Tony!

O yeah, nice try Bradley!

 

[BigMac]

Nelson Oliveira should try it and teach those homeboys how it's done.

 

[pink_jersey]

This shall be way too easy for Kung...Maybe for Mullen as well.

 

[DFA123]

Re:

If Martin, Malori, Dumoulin or Dowsett do an attempt at altitude (mexico) then this record won't hold.

I think it is very beatable as well, as long as those guys don't react too badly to the altitude. There's a few others as well who I think could potentially challenge for it at altitude - Phinney, Froome, Uran, Cancellara, Porte. They all have bigger fish to fry at the moment though, so can't see them sacrificing part of a season to go for it (except maybe Phinney).

At sea level then I think only Martin would have a chance - possibly Froome on 2013 form .

Wiggins will probably have another go anyway, maybe at altitude; Rominger's record will gnaw away at him, just like the thought that Froome possibly could have beaten him in 2012 has gnawed away at him.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Uran?? Porte?????

 

[Miburo]

Re:

Dowsett has absolutely ZERO chances to break this record.
Dumoulin all the same.

Malori? Don't think so.
Martin? Maybe, but he really should switch focus. And he's got everything to lose.

What does martin have to lose?

Be more biased skybot.

 

[DFA123]

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Uran?? Porte?????

Uran put in an absolute beast of a time trial in the Colombian Nationals at 2,000m+ altitude last year. Obviously he hasn't got the same power as Wiggins, but he has enough that, given how comfortable he seems to be riding at high altitude, he could challenge.

Porte, maybe if he tries it in February and someone tells him it's part of a week long stage race

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

Uran?? Porte?????

Uran put in an absolute beast of a time trial in the Colombian Nationals at 2,000m+ altitude last year. Obviously he hasn't got the same power as Wiggins, but he has enough that, given how comfortable he seems to be riding at high altitude, he could challenge.

Really? Are there any numbers available about that ride? Power output?

 

[DFA123]

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Uran?? Porte?????

Uran put in an absolute beast of a time trial in the Colombian Nationals at 2,000m+ altitude last year. Obviously he hasn't got the same power as Wiggins, but he has enough that, given how comfortable he seems to be riding at high altitude, he could challenge.

Really? Are there any numbers available about that ride? Power output?

Since you ask (was this year though not last year, my mistake!) https://www.strava.com/activities/251725863

Also, it was interesting reading the article by Ferrari that was posted earlier in the thread re. Rominger, that smaller riders have a not insignificant benefit in a velodrome over big guys. That would favour Uran and Porte. Maybe Contador could even have a go if he is serious about quitting at the end of next year.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

Who can blame him for a bit of fading at the end? Crushed it.

His pacing was near perfect. A very slight fade over the course of an hour. I call that bang on the money.

BTW - can you please repost using the full image and not crop out the attribution, or give full due credit to Dr Xavier Disley who produced it.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

Re: Re:

Do we have an answer on whether barometric pressure is relevant in an air-controlled velodrome?

Barometric pressure is not readily controllable in such buildings. It would need to be a sealed venue for that.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

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He seems to ride outside the red lines when on the straight part of the track, while closing in in the curves. Maybe these trajectories have been studied?

I've not seen the ride as yet, but there are some tracks for which going wide on the straights is helpful. Track geometry varies quite a bit, e.g. the length of turns and transition shape. Some track are neutral or best on the black line, some you'll prefer to run wide in the straights. But wide in the turns is never better.

It is possible to determine optimal line on a given track.

 

[Netserk]

Is it allowed to artificially lower the pressure?

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

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With the right air pressure he can go 55.5km then. Wonder if he'll give it another go next year.

He'd get at best 700m more with a drop of 60hPa, which would be a due to a severe storm weather cell.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

Re:

You wonder what could've happen should he have gone at altitude

1-2km further
http://alex-cycle.blogspot.com.au/2014/12/wm2-altitude-and-hour-record-part-ii.html

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

Re:

Is it allowed to artificially lower the pressure?

Well since it's not possible to do that at any velodrome ever built, it's kind of moot, but there is no rule about it.

 

[Netserk]

Thanks. I guess it will happen in the future.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

BTW at the temperature and air pressure values I have seen quoted this morning, I estimate his power to CdA ratio would be in the vicinity of 2500-2550W/m^2, and with an estimated power of ~450W, it means he was able to get very slippery on that rig. The sort of CdA number I've seen for one other rider of similar body mass (a masters age group pursuiter).

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

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Thanks. I guess it will happen in the future.

I doubt it. It'd requires a sealed environment with air locks that would restrict movement of people in/out of the building, and safety standards for the emergency exit of large crowds would be problematic and very expensive to create. Plus extra structural support for the roof I'm guessing.

Aguascalientes velodrome has to have indoor air pressure a bit higher than outside as that's what supports the roof. There is an air lock system, and movement of people in/out is restricted.