How many GTs has Alberto Contador won?

[Walkman]

I am pretty sure that he missed 3 doping controls before that Tour, so he did in fact break the rules

3 and you are out. It was 2 from two different organizations if I remember correctly.

 

[Stromeon]

6/7 imo and not even because of 07. 2010 TDF was only one i think is 50-50 i cant discuss here but that is were the offense took place. Biggest joke is the Giro, i maybe wrong but im sure Scarponi wore Pink in 2012 on the TTT.

Taylor Phinney can't have been happy about that

 

[roundabout]

3 and you are out. It was 2 from two different organizations if I remember correctly.

Strangest part of the whole affair is that his stage wins from 2007 were not stripped if I remember it correctly

Would have been a right old mess had he made it to Paris...

 

[BlurryVII]

Also Rassmussen lied about his preTour training location, he reported to rabo and uci he was in Mexico when he was actually training in Italy. And he missed doping controls, so yeah, he broke the rules.

Anyway, without that long breakaway (Tignes Stage) Rassmu would have never seen the light in that tdf, the peloton just let him gain way too much time.

 

[phanatic]

5, as the Vuelta isn't a real GT.

 

[BlurryVII]

3 and you are out. It was 2 from two different organizations if I remember correctly.

I love how you're first one to remember us Contador only won 5 GT's because the rules are the rules, but you're defending rassmussen in the same time.

Contador won that Tour 07', deal with it. He crossed the finish line in the yellow jersey.

 

[jaylew]

5, as the Vuelta isn't a real GT.

Whatever. The Vuelta is often the best GT. Certainly a good chance of that this year.

 

[roundabout]

I love how you're first one to remember us Contador only won 5 GT's because the rules are the rules, but you're defending rassmussen in the same time.

Contador won that Tour 07', deal with it. He crossed the finish line in the yellow jersey.

I don't see him defending Rasmussen.

 

[arvc40]

Well, I've seen him finish first 7 times so after a lot of thought I'm gonna go with 7. Lol

 

[Walkman]

I love how you're first one to remember us Contador only won 5 GT's because the rules are the rules, but you're defending rassmussen in the same time.

Contador won that Tour 07', deal with it. He crossed the finish line in the yellow jersey.

Uhm…read my post again. I am not defending Rasmussen, I was just pointing out the facts as remember them.

I am so sick and tried of you Contador fans misreading my post and trying to get to me by putting words in my mouth. Contador is a cheater, and thats a fact, deal with it.

 

[BlurryVII]

I don't see him defending Rasmussen.

Really? He is always implying in his posts that Rassmu should have won, or rather that Contador should have never won.

As I said, if peloton decided to reduce time on him towards Tignes, chicken legs would have never got the yellow jersey.
And he wasn't stronger than Contador.
Contador dropped him on col du Galibier but it was too far from the finish line (caught in the descent), and was stronger than him on Peyresourde, Rassmu was barely hanging on.
And Plateau de Beille Rassmu couldn't drop alberto either in the final kms, so apart from Aubisque (only around 20 s gained IIRC) Rassmussen would have been nowhere without that breakaway.

Contador had the yellow jersey in Paris, end of story.

 

[hrotha]

No, what he's saying is that if you want to ignore the rules and stick to "what you saw on the road" then at least be consistent.

 

[burning]

Really? He is always implying in his posts that Rassmu should have won, or rather that Contador should have never won.

As I said, if peloton decided to reduce time on him towards Tignes, chicken legs would have never got the yellow jersey.
And he wasn't stronger than Contador.
Contador dropped him on col du Galibier but it was too far from the finish line (caught in the descent), and was stronger than him on Peyresourde, Rassmu was barely hanging on.
And Plateau de Beille Rassmu couldn't drop alberto either in the final kms, so apart from Aubisque (only around 20 s gained IIRC) Rassmussen would have been nowhere without that breakaway.

Contador had the yellow jersey in Paris, end of story.

By that logic, Arroyo is 7th in 2010 Giro and never wore the maglia rosa?

 

[Hugo Koblet]

If a moderator wants to move to the clinic then I would have no problem with it.

However it should be a simple matter of acknowledging the facts.

2010 Tour winner is Andy Schleck
2011 Giro winner is Michele Scarponi.
It does not matter how it happened, Alberto Contador is not the winner of these two GTs. Even if you think the decisions were wrong it does not change the facts about the official winners.

Just like the tour officially has no winner from 1999 to 2005. Lance Armstrong is not the winner of those tours.

Simple facts.

You're mixing two things up. Contador might not be the winner of these two Grand Tours. But he won them. And as your question was, "how many Grand Tours has Contador won", the answer is 7.

 

[Netserk]

Strangest part of the whole affair is that his stage wins from 2007 were not stripped if I remember it correctly

Would have been a right old mess had he made it to Paris...

He didn't lose any results because of the first ban, but he lost all his results from January 2005 - March 2010 with his second ban. Including his stage wins in 2007.

 

[roundabout]

You're mixing two things up. Contador might not be the winner of these two Grand Tours. But he won them. And as your question was, "how many Grand Tours has Contador won", the answer is 7.

Pretty difficult to "win" a Grand Tour while breaking the rules that were in effect during that Grand Tour.

In fact I would say impossible.

 

[roundabout]

He didn't lose any results because of the first ban, but he lost all his results from January 2005 - March 2010 with his second ban. Including his stage wins in 2007.

I mean the original decision from 2008. Even though he committed (edit: 2 of) his violations in the buildup to the 2007 Tour and they very likely had an effect on the 2007 Tour.

 

[Netserk]

Really? He is always implying in his posts that Rassmu should have won, or rather that Contador should have never won.

As I said, if peloton decided to reduce time on him towards Tignes, chicken legs would have never got the yellow jersey.
And he wasn't stronger than Contador.
Contador dropped him on col du Galibier but it was too far from the finish line (caught in the descent), and was stronger than him on Peyresourde, Rassmu was barely hanging on.
And Plateau de Beille Rassmu couldn't drop alberto either in the final kms, so apart from Aubisque (only around 20 s gained IIRC) Rassmussen would have been nowhere without that breakaway.

Contador had the yellow jersey in Paris, end of story.

Rasmussen didn't need to take time on Contador at any point in the race after Tignes. His main problem was Evans. Rasmussen was by far the strongest climber in that race.

 

[BlurryVII]

Uhm…read my post again. I am not defending Rasmussen, I was just pointing out the facts as remember them.

I am so sick and tried of you Contador fans misreading my post and trying to get to me by putting words in my mouth. Contador is a cheater, and thats a fact, deal with it.

Yep, rename yourself "Hypocrisy at its best". That'll fit quite well.
The Guy knows who's legit, who's not. Sure.

 

[Netserk]

I mean the original decision from 2008. Even though he committed (edit: 2 of) his violations in the buildup to the 2007 Tour and they very likely had an effect on the 2007 Tour.

I know. That's why I wrote that he didn't lose any results with his first ban.

 

[Walkman]

Yep, rename yourself "Hypocrisy at its best". That'll fit quite well.
The Guy knows who's legit, who's not. Sure.

Care to educate me on my alleged hypocrisy?

I never stated that Rasmussen should have won. I never claimed Rasmussen was clean or that Contador didn't win the 2007 Tour.

You should improve your reading skills. And drop the Contador fanaticism, it's not classy and it kind of make you look like an idiot.

However, my personal opinion is that Rasmussen was the strongest climber in the 2007 Tour and that both he and Contador was jacked up like crazy. But the fact remains, Rasmussen was allowed to start the Tour, which rules out that he had three missed test from the same anti-doping organizations, because if would have, he wouldn't have been allowed to start. And as I remember it, is as I four missed tests, but from two different organizations.

 

[BlurryVII]

Rasmussen didn't need to take time on Contador at any point in the race after Tignes. His main problem was Evans. Rasmussen was by far the strongest climber in that race.

As if Evans was about to take more than 3 mins in the final TT on him

As for your second point, that's your assumption. I wouldn't call by far the strongest climber someone who only gained 20 s on one MTF,
- who couldn't follow AC's blastering attack on Galibier (no one could follow him that day),
- who suffered like never on Peyresourde (if only AC had attacked earlier.. it was way too late)

He also tried to drop AC unsuccessfully on Plateau de Beille . That's not what I call the strongest by far . The most opportunist most likely because of Tignes stage.

 

[Netserk]

As if Evans was about to take more than 3 mins in the final TT on him

As for your second point, that's your assumption. I wouldn't call by far the strongest climber someone who only gained 20 s on one MTF,
- who couldn't follow AC's blastering attack on Galibier (no one could follow him that day),
- who suffered like never on Peyresourde (if only AC had attacked earlier.. it was way too late)

He also tried to drop AC unsuccessfully on Plateau de Beille . That's not what I call the strongest by far . The most opportunist most likely because of Tignes stage.

Yes after all the mountains Evans wasn't a problem, but before the Pyrenees he only had 1'00'' Evans, which wouldn't be enough before the last ITT. He had 2'31'' on Contador at the same time, so he had already more than enough on him, and because of that didn't need to attack him unlike Evans.

Edit: As for the strongest climber: Rasmussen gained 35'' on a single MTF on Contador. Contador was only able to take 2'' on Rasmussen on one mountain stage.

 

[BlurryVII]

Care to educate me on my alleged hypocrisy?

I never stated that Rasmussen should have won. I never claimed Rasmussen was clean or that Contador didn't win the 2007 Tour.

You should improve your reading skills. And drop the Contador fanaticism, it's not classy and it kind of make you look like an idiot.

However, my personal opinion is that Rasmussen was the strongest climber in the 2007 Tour and that both he and Contador was jacked up like crazy.

Posting arguments has turned into fanaticism? what's that biased post? At least I keep some consistency in what I say.

 

[mrhender]

How many GTs has Alberto Contador won?

my initial response before I read what you wrote next

What does it matter if he won 5 or 7 GT's?

We all know what we've seen, and hold our own perceptions...

The thread/poll suggest that you are aiming to prove something, what is it?

Is this not just a copy of the recently closed thread...?

And why is this thread not in the clinic....

However it should be a simple matter of acknowledging the facts.

2010 Tour winner is Andy Schleck
2011 Giro winner is Michele Scarponi.
It does not matter how it happened, Alberto Contador is not the winner of these two GTs. Even if you think the decisions were wrong it does not change the facts about the official winners.

Just like the tour officially has no winner from 1999 to 2005. Lance Armstrong is not the winner of those tours.

Simple facts.

Youv'e already decided on the matter and call it a fact...

So why ask the question....? Unless you are trying to