How to read past ITT's to predict the future: Contador vs Evans

[El Pistolero]

Evans will crush Contador only any flat power time trial. More heavier and more powerful rider on the flat. IN a hilly tt it will be close but I still think Evans could come on top. CLearly this thread made by Hitch is to talk up one of his favourites to make him feel good about himself

Then why has Contador 14 time trial victories and Evans only 2(or 3 if we don't count Vino's doped time trial)?

 

[Swede1]

If on form Menchov will beat Evans and Contador on a TT, flat or hilly. 2009 Giro hilly TT, and 2010 flat Tour TT. He was dominant. Except he will most likely crash at some point...

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

I don't think it matters, because an on-form Contador would crush Evans in whatever pathetic excuse for mountain stages there are.

This.

Only thing I remotely am looking forward to regarding this tour is the cuddle crew coming back to reality.

 

[Havetts]

Its 6 am in the morning, aussie crew waking up. Boy I'm going to love the responses when I wake up tomorrow.

This.

Only thing I remotely am looking forward to regarding this tour is the cuddle crew coming back to reality.

+1.

 

[Old School]

Actually you are forgetting the 2005 one.

So its 4-2 Evans.

But while we are at it why not check if when Contador was a junior he didnt ride some of the tts as warmup. Then we can add some more points to the Cadel column.

BTW Vino also beat Contador in 2007 and 2005 and he beat Contador in 2010
That means Vino 3-0 Contador, ergo Vino is a better tter than Contador and will beat Contador next year.

Exactly the same logic.

Tell 'em like it is Hitch. If my money was on the line, head to head in a podium deciding ITT ride, The Pistol has my vote....Evans has choked waaaay to much in the past for my liking. He's only won a grand tour once...His resume will never come close to Contador's.

 

[The Hitch]

and how many of those ITT was Evans riding.

to say 1 is better or they are the same you can only look at ITT where they competed and one was not injured

You are right to point out that simply looking at victories is far from perfect as different riders ride different races and various other complications but sometimes, the number of victories someone has does tell a story. You can see there Contador has a very large number of tt victories, some at a very high level, which suggest a bonified time trial specialist.

Actually these victories could present a theory that Contador relies on base tt expertise to perform in tts whereas Evans relies more on grit, when it matters.

 

[El Pistolero]

You are right to point out that simply looking at victories is far from perfect as different riders ride different races and various other complications but sometimes, the number of victories someone has does tell a story. You can see there Contador has a very large number of tt victories, some at a very high level, which suggest a bonified time trial specialist.

Actually these victories could present a theory that Contador relies on base tt expertise to perform in tts whereas Evans relies more on grit, when it matters.

Plus Contador's first victory was a time trial suggesting he has the natural talent for it.

 

[The Hitch]

Evans will crush Contador only any flat power time trial. More heavier and more powerful rider on the flat. IN a hilly tt it will be close but I still think Evans could come on top. CLearly this thread made by Hitch is to talk up one of his favourites to make him feel good about himself

Clearly this thread is not made by the Hitch as the first lines in the Op titled "mod comment" make clear. You know, for those that have actually read the thread.

And if Evans would "crush Contador" on any flat power time trial, explain why he doesnt?

 

[Nikoloz]

EVANS Cadel 12 - 18 CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto


http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/h2h.asp

 

[rzombie1988]

I don't think any full strength Contador vs Evans match-ups should be in doubt. Cadel can't hang with Alberto when he's at his best. Even if Cadel could beat Alberto in the TT, Alberto will triple any gains Cadel makes at worst.

 

[BroDeal]

Then why has Contador 14 time trial victories and Evans only 2(or 3 if we don't count Vino's doped time trial)?

That is the acid test right there. You cannot compare two riders of greatly different ages, different levels of form, and different amounts of motivation; but both of them have been in a position many times where they needed to perform against the best in the race. Contador has come up with the goods again and again. Evans has rarely had what it takes to win.

By the time Contador is 35, he will have at least ten times the number of time trial wins that Evans has at that age. Ten times.

 

[gilbertador]

For me its a very close call, what i would say is anything dead flat and 50km plus i would back Evans
Any time Evans is not quite on tdf style peak ie anything before May ish I would back Contador any day
Very hilly tts id definitely back Contador

Prologues are where its very close

 

[Ferminal]

Not sure where the idea that Evans is better on a completely flat course comes from, all his best efforts have generally come on ones with at least one medium hill.

 

[Old School]

Not sure where the idea that Evans is better on a completely flat course comes from, all his best efforts have generally come on ones with at least one medium hill.

Daydreaming? Ignoring the truth? I dunno, but ^^^ above is a good question.

 

[Ragerod]

Evans TT at the tour is an anomaly to me. It was just a day when the stars aligned and he was super motivated putting in one of the best performances in his career. I think his performances on the same course at the Dauphine is a far more accurate indicator of his TTing ability.

What stands out for me is that both Contador and Evans did 7 TTs this year but whilst Contador finished in the top 5 on 6 occasions Evans did so only once. That pretty much sums it up to me, I expect Evans to finish in the top 10 and Contador to finish in the top 5.

 

[c&cfan]

Not sure where the idea that Evans is better on a completely flat course comes from, all his best efforts have generally come on ones with at least one medium hill.

Evans is fueled by his heart and passion and i truly believe that that's what makes him great in some decisive TTs. obviously he also has the talent. unfortunately for him, Contador has proved times and times again what heart and passion mixed with unique talent can do.

Evans is fragile even if physically robust. contador is tougher as they can get and has the unrivaled talent to build an amazing arsenal. I truly believe that some TTs (after 3 weeks, specially long ones. it doesn't matter if going up or down.) are a matter of mental toughness and when evans finds himself like he did this year at the tour, he is the toughest guy around, with the exception of alberto. I don't see where evans is better at TT against contador. i don't see who is better cyclist than contador. seriously.

The only thing that i see in evans' arsenal that is better than contador's equivalent is sprinting, mainly because of his more robust physique. both have no technique, so muscle is important while sprinting. still, even at sprint, contador can beat cadel.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Evans is fueled by his heart and passion and i truly believe that that's what makes him great in some decisive TTs. obviously he also has the talent. unfortunately for him, Contador has proved times and times again what heart and passion mixed with unique talent can do.

Evans is fragile even if physically robust. contador is tougher as they can get and has the unrivaled talent to build an amazing arsenal. I truly believe that some TTs (after 3 weeks, specially long ones. it doesn't matter if going up or down.) are a matter of mental toughness and when evans finds himself like he did this year at the tour, he is the toughest guy around, with the exception of alberto. I don't see where evans is better at TT against contador. i don't see who is better cyclist than contador. seriously.

The only thing that i see in evans' arsenal that is better than contador's equivalent is sprinting, mainly because of his more robust physique. both have no technique, so muscle is important while sprinting. still, even at sprint, contador can beat cadel.

I don't think that happened this year if they were both going balls out.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I would like to publicly apologise to The Hitch who I accused of making a thread just for his own public image and to talk up a rider he likes as that was incorrect.


I am still of the belief that Evans will take time out of AC in the TT's

 

[Boeing]

Evans will crush Contador only any flat power time trial. More heavier and more powerful rider on the flat. IN a hilly tt it will be close but I still think Evans could come on top. CLearly this thread made by Hitch is to talk up one of his favourites to make him feel good about himself

more heavier?

 

[danjo007]

contador only become good at TT a few years back - "mysteriously".... (much like pantani did when he won TDF)

evans used to be far better at TT in his earlier days, 3rd Junior TTWC - and lost some of his TT speed when he concentrated on his climbing for TDF.

 

[BroDeal]

contador only become good at TT a few years back - "mysteriously".... (much like pantani did when he won TDF)

Contador won the U23 Spanish time trial championship as an amateur. His first professional win was a time trial.

 

[auscyclefan94]

contador only become good at TT a few years back - "mysteriously".... (much like pantani did when he won TDF)

evans used to be far better at TT in his earlier days, 3rd Junior TTWC - and lost some of his TT speed when he concentrated on his climbing for TDF.

That time trial was the first ever Road TT Evans had ever ridden and he rode it on Robbie Mcewen's TT bike. Also, Evans admitted that he was absoultely smashing the opposition at the halfway point until he 'bonked'

 

[theyoungest]

Gesink beat Evans in a time trial at the Tirreno this year. I can't imagine him ever beating Contador. That settles it

Evans did a really great TT in the Tour, but he has been fairly inconsistent these past years. Whereas Contador is (almost) always right up there in time trials. Frankly, before the Tour this wouldn't even have been a question.

 

[Luke Schmid]

2010 anyone?

I seem to remember that it was reported at the time that Evans did not ride that TT in his TT position because of his injured arm. I think Evans was far more hampered in 2010 than Contador was this year.

I am not using this to argue that Evans is a stronger TTer, and I don't intend to argue either way because I really don't know.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

man! i cant wait for the next tour de france...providing that they are both in good health ..mentaly and physically.