If you were in their shoes, would you dope? Poll

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I answered yes, because you have no other chance to survive in the business. By the way, thats the same mentality (almost) all pro´s have. You are forced to dope...

Just compare it to Internet-Poker. To keep up with the new guys and all the programs they use while playing, you have to do the same stuff, even tough you dont like it. It´s win or loose, it´s real life, not paradise ...

By the way i am STRONGLY against doping and think most of its effects come from placebo (as written in many of my posts), but if i´d be in the business i would have to dope to not to waste my talent (and placebo-effects).

I think the same thing was in Ullrichs mind when he (the best rider ever) said yes to doping.

Psychos like Epo-Lance start the $hit and everybody is forced to do the same. It happens everywere (business world, social world, political world, sports world), the bad people destroy the good ones and everybody becomes bad.

 

[Ferdinand Artichoke]

You are forced to dope...

not true. You tell a lie based on valuing a cycling career over morals. Read paul Kimmage's expose Rough Ride- He was paid 4 years as a pro.

the bad people destroy the good ones and everybody becomes bad.

is this true? or is it a cancer you are helping to spread?

It seems to me that life and society is evolving and moving forward... it is as the Tao... inescapable.

How are your comments positioned really?

positive or negative

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

How are your comments positioned really?

positive or negative

not positive, not negative... only realistic

we are talking about well trained high powered super talented sportsmen. It´s a very thin line between being a also ran in the groupetto or a high paid superstar. So if the most talented rider is loosing his advantage to the doped opponent, HE IS FORCED to dope to get back his natural advantage.

It´s sad but true.

 

[Ferdinand Artichoke]

not positive, not negative... only realistic


It´s sad but true.

Someone is deluded about lifes options

 

[BikeCentric]

Are you suggesting Zulle didn't dope and still managed to win the Vuelta, twice, and get second to '99 Pharmstrong in the Tour?

Need I remind you that Zulle was on Festina during the Festina affair, and that he admitted to using EPO?

Zulle basically admitted that he doped and said that it was either dope or go back to painting houses. Eventually he retired and today he runs his own house painting business. Thus what I posted; if doping troubles you find another profession.

 

[shawnrohrbach]

Following my post where I admitted to drinking whisky to enhance my writing (just kidding of course) I have to throw in here an experience I had this past week. Through my website, I was contacted by a company who supplies college students with essays they can buy and hand in as their work. The company had read some of my posted work and wanted to establish a pipeline to supply titles and subject matter to me and I could whip out academic essays and GET PAID. I was a college instructor for 8 years and had to deal with this fraud every semester, and it was hilarious to see the the fraud continues. Certainly not as damaging as doping, but I guess some of us will cheat at anything.

 

[Hmmmmm]

After further consideration....

I voted "absolutely not" as that is how I feel at this point in time. But, I voted based on being an outsider and being a basically middle class citizen who has not reached the upper echelon of something like professional cycling. So, it is hard to say how I would respond and react if I did make it to that level. I am ethical and believe in honesty, but life's experiences have taught me that sometimes you just don't know how you will react in a particular situation until you are actually in that situation. Cheers!

 

[Colm.Murphy]

Following my post where I admitted to drinking whisky to enhance my writing (just kidding of course) I have to throw in here an experience I had this past week. Through my website, I was contacted by a company who supplies college students with essays they can buy and hand in as their work. The company had read some of my posted work and wanted to establish a pipeline to supply titles and subject matter to me and I could whip out academic essays and GET PAID. I was a college instructor for 8 years and had to deal with this fraud every semester, and it was hilarious to see the the fraud continues. Certainly not as damaging as doping, but I guess some of us will cheat at anything.

Intellectual fraud, to me, if far more of an issue and damaging, though no less surprising or rare, than sporting fraud.

I had a colleague who had manipulated his way through University, and working with him in the real world was so problematic, so ridiculous, he ended up fired. I confronted him with my concerns and he admitted his degree and studies were "bought". I felt sorry for him, as he persists to bounce from one position to another, shamming unsuspecting employers out of money and time.

The parallel is interesting to discuss. In cycling, if the majority of top-level, elite professionals undertake advanced "programmes" as a job requirement to get to baseline and compete but in the real world, a fraction of professional people fraud their way to a job, and then cannot compete once there, the difference is clear.

 

[ElChingon]

Well which of you in your non-cycling job would not ever test positive for an illegal substance on a random Monday? A DUI would qualify for positive as well.

The poll says it all.

 

[shawnrohrbach]

Well which of you in your non-cycling job would not ever test positive for an illegal substance on a random Monday? A DUI would qualify for positive as well.

The poll says it all.

touche. fortunately i drink wine at dinner and that's about it and the recreational drugs never appealed, so whenever I have been tested, my pee is pure.