Il Lombardia 2015, Oct 4th

[Arredondo]

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Just read that the Lotto DS thinks the new course suits them better the guy must be a total ***.

Which Lotto?

 

[Stilletto]

Cunego for the win?
lol

 

[Flamin]

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Just read that the Lotto DS thinks the new course suits them better the guy must be a total ***.

Which Lotto?

BE. They are a lot longer in cycling so I keep calling them Lotto.

 

[Samamba]

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Just read that the Lotto DS thinks the new course suits them better the guy must be a total ***.

Which DS said that? Leysen? Cause that guy is indeed a total ***.

 

[Flamin]

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Just read that the Lotto DS thinks the new course suits them better the guy must be a total ***.

Which DS said that? Leysen? Cause that guy is indeed a total ***.

Yes, him. Well that explains it then

 

[Brullnux]

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I don't think people are arguing with you trying to say Yates will win Lombardia this year. I think people's problem was with the single word NEVER.

OK I admit this is my fault but still I do not think he will have much chances to win some monument in future

Really? They are bigger talents than Kwiat IMO as they can climb better, they are very punchy - winning Lombardia will be logical next step after San Sebastian. Not this year, maybe in a couple of years time then they will be some of the best hilly classics riders. And they are both very attcking. Wellens vs Yates (x2) vs Jules vs maybe Kwiat (if he doesn't keep same form as this year) will be most likely Liege Bastogne Liege in 5 years' time.

They can even win a GT one day if there is very little TT and they train for it. Especially if they use the Adam-one- day-Simon-the-other trick.

Obviously it's just your opinion but I think that's going way too far. I'm not a huge Kwia fan but in no way do I think the Yates brothers are more talented. Kwia can do it all - climb, sprint, tt, ride cobbles, descend...he's a complete rider. Frankly, I don't think the Yates bros do anything better.

You are probably right, as I am always unfairly critical negative about Kwiatowski as he has failed to live up to the hype. In my mind he is way worse than what he actually is, so it gets skewed. I'm happy to admit that. OTOH I think its fairly safe to say that The Yates' bros have had a comparatively better season than Kwiatowski.

 

[mspgrandi]

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It's obvious that Dan Martin will win.

Look:

2013- Purito
2012- Purito
2011- Zaugg
2010- Gilbert
2009- Gilbert
2008- Cunego
2007- Cunego
2006- Bettini
2005- Bettini
2004- Cunego
2003- Bartoli
2002- Bartoli

Zaugg is the odd one, but it was just strange to see Zaugg win 1 Lombardia, let along 2.

Has Zaugg achieved anything else after that Lombardia? I mean to win nothing in your career except for a 250km race vs. the best in the World?

Saunier Dauvial / Gerolsteiner past ...

 

[mspgrandi]

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With Froome, Porte and Thomas all having ended their season, I'm wondering who Sky will bring as their leader.

I have always thought that Wout Poels would have been perfect for this kind of race. He is made for one-day races imo. His win in Tirreno-Adriatico and Pais Vasco were on similar terrain. A hilly road with a climb followed by a descent in the finish.

He lacks the bike riding skills needed for one day races.

Given that Poels wasnt better than Majka / Aru / Rosa on Milano Torino (Superga climb is like the Civiglio) it is difficult to see how on the day he can beat the same riders + Nibali JRod Valverde Pinot and others

 

[shalgo]

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Has Zaugg achieved anything else after that Lombardia? I mean to win nothing in your career except for a 250km race vs. the best in the World?

Not really; he had a few fair to mediocre GC results (11th in the Vuelta, 4th in Burgos), but that was about it. It is worth noting, however, that in the year after he won Lombardia, he was in the 11-man group that fought for 2nd behind Rodriguez, ultimately finishing 8th. So he actually came pretty close to continuing the consecutive-victories trend.

 

[roundabout]

Would have been 1st or 2nd in Emilia the same year as well had he split the work more evenly with Betancur.

He was in very good form that year in the Vuelta and after. That he actually made the group behind Rodriguez next year would probably be a bigger surprise.

 

[Miburo]

All DS from lotto are ***. The only dutch speaking DS with some brain is prob Peeters.

 

[Taxus4a]

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I think Uran has a great chance to win here. He was excellent in the Canadian races and was leading the chase down for Sagan at the end of the WC, so is obviously in great form. He also probably won't be as closely marked as someone like Valverde or Nibali towards the finish, so might be allowed to get away with the others looking at each other. If he gets a gap he's a good enough TTer to easily stay away, as the others wouldn't well together to chase.

Urán was podium with 21 years old in his first time he rode this race. He was that day working for Purito, but finally Urán was stronger.

It is a pity and a big surprise for me Uran wont be in the race

 

[Hugo Koblet]

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I think Uran has a great chance to win here. He was excellent in the Canadian races and was leading the chase down for Sagan at the end of the WC, so is obviously in great form. He also probably won't be as closely marked as someone like Valverde or Nibali towards the finish, so might be allowed to get away with the others looking at each other. If he gets a gap he's a good enough TTer to easily stay away, as the others wouldn't well together to chase.

Urán was podium with 21 years old in his first time he rode this race. He was that day working for Purito, but finally Urán was stronger.

It is a pity and a big surprise for me Uran wont be in the race

Wait, what? For me, Uran is one of the 5 biggest favorites here. He won't be riding?

 

[Jagartrott]

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All DS from lotto are ***. The only dutch speaking DS with some brain is prob Peeters.

Lotto won the most races this year in their long history. They must be doing something right.

 

[bassano]

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Urán was podium with 21 years old in his first time he rode this race. He was that day working for Purito, but finally Urán was stronger.

It is a pity and a big surprise for me Uran wont be in the race

Do you have this information confirmed? for me race will lose without Uran, It is quite strange he would not be racing

Also I am surprised that according to bookies Nibali is main favourite, then Valverde and Purito only 3rd, let´s see which form they brought for tomorrow

 

[Flamin]

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Urán was podium with 21 years old in his first time he rode this race. He was that day working for Purito, but finally Urán was stronger.

It is a pity and a big surprise for me Uran wont be in the race

Also I am surprised that according to bookies Nibali is main favourite, then Valverde and Purito only 3rd, let´s see which form they brought for tomorrow

Yeah, doesn't make sense at all. I mean, the experts on cn assured me that Nibali stands no chance against Purito

 

[DFA123]

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Urán was podium with 21 years old in his first time he rode this race. He was that day working for Purito, but finally Urán was stronger.

It is a pity and a big surprise for me Uran wont be in the race

Do you have this information confirmed? for me race will lose without Uran, It is quite strange he would not be racing

According to this link, he hasn't been selected: http://www.etixx-quickstep.com/en/news/show/etixx-quick-step-to-il-lombardia/2439

Must be an injury surely.

 

[Taxus4a]

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Urán was podium with 21 years old in his first time he rode this race. He was that day working for Purito, but finally Urán was stronger.

It is a pity and a big surprise for me Uran wont be in the race

Do you have this information confirmed? for me race will lose without Uran, It is quite strange he would not be racing

According to this link, he hasn't been selected: http://www.etixx-quickstep.com/en/news/show/etixx-quick-step-to-il-lombardia/2439

Must be an injury surely.

It is possible, but as far as I know he has not any injury.

Urán leaves the team, but Kiako as well, so that musnt be the reason. Who knows...

 

[bassano]

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Yeah, doesn't make sense at all. I mean, the experts on cn assured me that Nibali stands no chance against Purito

let´s hope that he is in good form, Lombardia can partially save season it would be nice to see Nibali wining this

 

[Taxus4a]

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Yeah, doesn't make sense at all. I mean, the experts on cn assured me that Nibali stands no chance against Purito

let´s hope that he is in good form, Lombardia can partially save season it would be nice to see Nibali wining this

The descent of Sormano is key in this parcous, so Nibali has important chances, but the level will be high and there are a lot of strong contenders.

 

[Taxus4a]

I didnt remerber Landa was 21th two years ago in Lombardia, in a group with Gilbert, Van Avermaet and Tom Dumoulin, best Euskaltel rider.

Now he is a better rider and this year is a better race for climbers. he has said Lombardia is his favourite race.

Dumoulin as well is a better rider and he could do it very well.

Aru as well was last year in the group who sprinted for victory in Bergamo, so he showed he is strong for this race. Astana ahs a very strong team and lot of cards to play.

Samu was as well in that group, he was actually 5th helping Gilbert, he has lot of experience and good results in this race, this year he was strong some times, and if is raining, he has an important role to play in the descent of Sormano. He can climb better than Gilbert as well Ghisallo-Sormano is he is now in good shape. I dont know becouse he didnt race since la Vuelta, but this year he was 12th in Tour de France, 13th in basque country and 2nd in Yorkshire.

 

[pablohidalgo7]

Uran said after the worlds that his season was over, he doesn´t have any injury.

 

[Taxus4a]

Uran said after the worlds that his season was over, he doesn´t have any injury.

So he get ready after le Tour just for Canada and Worlds, in a parcours no good for him in wich he was impressive at the end (except 200 finale meters) and dont go to his favourite race...I understand that if he is not in shape and he finish his season in le Tour, but now?


He is not very good with rain, so maybe he is doing well, but he was clearly one of the favourites for the monument better suits him.

 

[Flamin]

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I didnt remerber Landa was 21th two years ago in Lombardia, in a group with Gilbert, Van Avermaet and Tom Dumoulin, best Euskaltel rider.

Now he is a better rider and this year is a better race for climbers. he has said Lombardia is his favourite race.

Dumoulin as well is a better rider and he could do it very well.

Aru as well was last year in the group who sprinted for victory in Bergamo, so he showed he is strong for this race. Astana ahs a very strong team and lot of cards to play.

Samu was as well in that group, he was actually 5th helping Gilbert, he has lot of experience and good results in this race, this year he was strong some times, and if is raining, he has an important role to play in the descent of Sormano. He can climb better than Gilbert as well Ghisallo-Sormano is he is now in good shape. I dont know becouse he didnt race since la Vuelta, but this year he was 12th in Tour de France, 13th in basque country and 2nd in Yorkshire.

Aru rides in Almaty this weekend unfortunately.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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Just read that the Lotto DS thinks the new course suits them better the guy must be a total ***.

Which DS said that? Leysen? Cause that guy is indeed a total ***.

For Gesink the harder the course the better. So they aren't wrong actually.

He still cannot win against this field ofcourse. But if he has the same form as the worlds he won't be far off either