Impey cleared of doping - free to race

[Parker]

Why would the pharmacist get his hands on the substance in the first place? I don't think I can buy anything in a pharmacy that is not packed in capsules and boxes. For obvious reasons. I guess in South Africa pharmacies are maybe like frontier grocery stores where they keep stuff in barrels and sacks.

It most likely comes in a big bulk container like this and the pharmacist will measure out the prescibed amount and put it one of those little brown pots.

 

[ciranda]

Ah, okay. The way the process is described is still sketchy of course.

 

[SundayRider]

It most likely comes in a big bulk container like this and the pharmacist will measure out the prescibed amount and put it one of those little brown pots.

And the chances of thhis sort of contamination resulting in a high enough ingestion to result in a positive test.

 

[burning]

Now I realize why Sky always wash their hands.

 

[del1962]

Perhaps the pharmacist had been on a heavy drinking session the night before

 

[BYOP88]

now i realize why sky always wash their hands. :d

rofl


........

 

[Benotti69]

Does the Pharmacist lick his hands before counting out tablets?

What a joke?

Doping is still the norm for the peloton.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Having worked in a pharmacy done this sort of bulk dispensing into bottles, (many years ago) I'd say this is a pretty poor excuse. The fact that probencid is normally dispensed a as tablet (not a capsule) does give a chance for this sort of cross contamination to actually occur.

When handing bulk tablets there is a small degree of attrition, and dusting. It is entirely conceivable* that this could end up on something else dispensed. If the contaminant was in a capsule, then the only way for contamination would be a broken capsule. (which does happen but rarely)

*Of course the best practice drilled into me would involve hand washing after any sort of bulk dispensing



Its just plausible enough with the paper trail in place to give reasonable doubt, though this statement is without looking at the levels found in the urine. I don't think I have seen that information.




** It has been probably ~28 years since I last worked in a pharmacy, things do change, but the essence of bulk dispensing stays the same.

 

[Colonel]

I guess in South Africa pharmacies are maybe like frontier grocery stores where they keep stuff in barrels and sacks.

haha, no far from that in fact. Cant even purchase B12 without a prescription here.

 

[veganrob]

What a BS excuse. Who exactly cleared him? Is there a chance this could go to CAS?

 

[blackcat]

grreeeenedge tailwind rogers


teflon anglophones

 

[blackcat]

What a BS excuse. Who exactly cleared him? Is there a chance this could go to CAS?

speaks english

rogers precedent

 

[blackcat]

Having worked in a pharmacy done this sort of bulk dispensing into bottles, (many years ago) I'd say this is a pretty poor excuse. The fact that probencid is normally dispensed a as tablet (not a capsule) does give a chance for this sort of cross contamination to actually occur.

When handing bulk tablets there is a small degree of attrition, and dusting. It is entirely conceivable* that this could end up on something else dispensed. If the contaminant was in a capsule, then the only way for contamination would be a broken capsule. (which does happen but rarely)

*Of course the best practice drilled into me would involve hand washing after any sort of bulk dispensing



Its just plausible enough with the paper trail in place to give reasonable doubt, though this statement is without looking at the levels found in the urine. I don't think I have seen that information.




** It has been probably ~28 years since I last worked in a pharmacy, things do change, but the essence of bulk dispensing stays the same.

stefano garzelli
mapei
2002 giro

 

[fmk_RoI]

stefano garzelli
mapei
2002 giro

The Blessed Tyler, of Hamilton, he said that Garzelli was an echo positive (ah, how quickly that phrase died), a tainted transfusion. And everyone believes everything Ty said in that book, so it must be true.

 

[LittleJo]

Its just plausible enough with the paper trail in place to give reasonable doubt, though this statement is without looking at the levels found in the urine. I don't think I have seen that information.

I'm presuming there must have been a minuscule amount of it in the sample, or he'd surely never get away with this excuse. How much cross-contamination can there be from handling some tablets?

 

[hrotha]

I'm presuming there must have been a minuscule amount of it in the sample, or he'd surely never get away with this excuse.

I think you underestimate how far national authorities will go to clear their own darlings.

 

[LittleJo]

I think you underestimate how far national authorities will go to clear their own darlings.

No, I know. I'm living in hope.....you'd think I'd have learnt by now

 

[fmk_RoI]

I think you underestimate how far national authorities will go to clear their own darlings.

And equally it's not possible to misunderestimate the lengths some cynics will go to to make every situation fit the world they have imagined.

 

[fmk_RoI]

SAIDS accept Impey's explanation for "trace" amounts of Probenecid

"Impey presented expert evidence from pharmacy professionals, pharmacologists, and pharmacokinetic experts confirming that cross-contamination caused by the use of the pill-counter in such manner was plausible."

link

 

[Benotti69]

So Impey wants to sue the Anti doping agency for doing its job but not the pharmacy for contamination!

Why would Impey want empty capsules?

 

[fmk_RoI]

So Impey wants to sue the Anti doping agency for doing its job but not the pharmacy for contamination!

I think everyone agrees that delays in these cases are not acceptable and that SAIDS took seven weeks to notify the rider of the problem. If it takes the big stick of a law suit to make the anti-doping authorities act like true professionals, then bring on the big sticks.

 

[hrotha]

And equally it's not possible to misunderestimate the lengths some cynics will go to to make every situation fit the world they have imagined.

"Ridiculous excuse is probably ridiculous" is not a stretch.

 

[TailWindHome]

Why would Impey want empty capsules?

Bicarbonate of Soda

 

[TailWindHome]

"Ridiculous excuse is probably ridiculous" is not a stretch.

Why do you think cross contamination is ridiculous?

Assume from the pharmacy records he is able to prove the purchase of the capsules, prove the purchase of the drug occurred shortly before and prove that it wasn't him buying the drug.

Assume also that you've no reason to not believe the evidence of the pharmacist.

 

[Benotti69]

Bicarbonate of Soda

"Small amounts of sodium bicarbonate have been shown to be useful as a supplement for athletes in speed-based events, like middle distance running, lasting from about one to seven minutes"

Hmmm not sure why a cyclist would want it.