Interesting piece on Livestrong

[kurtinsc]

I'm shocked. You really want this to be true. You want LiveStrong to use donations to fly 500 people to Dublin? You serious? Because that's better than Lear jet fuel?

You've truly lost the plot.

I do have a link but I'm going to draw it out.....

Well I'll wait for the link then.

Hosting an overseas conference costs travel money. Obviously you don't think that's the source. So let's see what you think is more reasonable.

 

[Hugh Januss]

They might have also used the money to fund a space shuttle flight, or traveled to the center of the earth.

There could be a million "possible" places the travel budgent got spent. The only one some seem to be able to accept is "Oh, it was on Lance's jet fuel."

There has to be SOME reason for coming to that conclusion. The fact they hosted a large overseas conference and several other events IS actual evidence that they would have increased travel expense because of exactly those events. What's the reasoning for believing the jet fuel thing? I'm not saying it doesn't exist... I just don't know what it is.

I am pretty sure it is not "jet fuel". It costs more than just the fuel to fly a jet, I'd be willing to bet that Lance bills the LAF at a rate which covers not only fuel but maintenance and crew costs as well whenever he jets off to raise "cancer awareness" on the roads of France or Italy or Aspen Colo.

 

[thehog]

Well I'll wait for the link then.

Hosting an overseas conference costs travel money. Obviously you don't think that's the source. So let's see what you think is more reasonable.

In the mean time some postings froth Livestrong site:

So where will we be able to track the post-Summit progress and accomplishments of all these organizations, attending this conference, and on this map?

What sort of progress has been made, and reported, by all the groups and attendees of the 2008 Livestrong SUMMIT in Columbus, OH? What lessons were learned from that event to help make this Ireland event more successful?

A lot of money is being spent on this event. In this day, age and economy, there had better be some big payoffs for the resources used by this Summit.

Chris says:
August 20, 2009 at 11:32 am
in reply to: Brooke McMillan
I checked out at least 1/2 of the postings on the Livestrong Google Map and that’s great people are “reaching out,” and creating “more awareness,” but where on the Livestrong site can I find actual summaries of “real” medical research made towards the treatment of cancer that a layperson can understand?

Yes, cancer is bad. Call me an ***, but I’ve heard about it a million times. So, now what’s the next move? Is any country in the entire world actually going to take cancer seriously enough to make it a number priority over everything else?

Are news outlets around the world ever going to ‘simultaneously’ publish facts about cancer on the front page, on the ‘same’ day, just once each year?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

NICE! You can go on forever like this correct?

Hey has anyone proved Lance Armstrong used Cancer to fly the Jet yet?

As I am sure you will have noticed that some of LAF conferences have coincided with races that LA happens to attend, usually with a appearance fee that he pockets.

The Global Conference was first mentioned when LA announced his return to racing in this Vanity Fair interview, and he mentions that it will take place in Paris, France.

Shortly after that interview ASO said it was ok for LA to ride in the 09 Tour.
Then in February it is announced that LA is to ride in the Tour of Ireland..... and that the Global Conference was to take place in Dublin starting the day after the race ended.

Handy that you can arrange conferences around your racing programme.

 

[kurtinsc]

In the mean time some postings froth Livestrong site:

So where will we be able to track the post-Summit progress and accomplishments of all these organizations, attending this conference, and on this map?

What sort of progress has been made, and reported, by all the groups and attendees of the 2008 Livestrong SUMMIT in Columbus, OH? What lessons were learned from that event to help make this Ireland event more successful?

A lot of money is being spent on this event. In this day, age and economy, there had better be some big payoffs for the resources used by this Summit.

Chris says:
August 20, 2009 at 11:32 am
in reply to: Brooke McMillan
I checked out at least 1/2 of the postings on the Livestrong Google Map and that’s great people are “reaching out,” and creating “more awareness,” but where on the Livestrong site can I find actual summaries of “real” medical research made towards the treatment of cancer that a layperson can understand?

Yes, cancer is bad. Call me an ***, but I’ve heard about it a million times. So, now what’s the next move? Is any country in the entire world actually going to take cancer seriously enough to make it a number priority over everything else?

Are news outlets around the world ever going to ‘simultaneously’ publish facts about cancer on the front page, on the ‘same’ day, just once each year?

ooooookaaaaay.....

relevance?

 

[D-Queued]

They might have also used the money to fund a space shuttle flight, or traveled to the center of the earth.

...

Now there is wishfull thinking. If only they had booked the one-way, instead of the return trip.

Dave.

 

[miloman]

As I am sure you will have noticed that some of LAF conferences have coincided with races that LA happens to attend, usually with a appearance fee that he pockets.

The Global Conference was first mentioned when LA announced his return to racing in this Vanity Fair interview, and he mentions that it will take place in Paris, France.

Shortly after that interview ASO said it was ok for LA to ride in the 09 Tour.
Then in February it is announced that LA is to ride in the Tour of Ireland..... and that the Global Conference was to take place in Dublin starting the day after the race ended.

Handy that you can arrange conferences around your racing programme.

What exactly do you object to about the conference: the city, country, the date, or that the event coincided with the racing schedule of the eponymous leader of LAF. If you were planning something like this, why would you schedule it to conflict with Lance’s ability to participate? As I recall, the idea was for him to bring his message – whatever it is/was -- to places where he had not raced before. Unless I am mistaken, Ireland is one of those places.

 

[Polish]

I am pretty sure it is not "jet fuel". It costs more than just the fuel to fly a jet, I'd be willing to bet that Lance bills the LAF at a rate which covers not only fuel but maintenance and crew costs as well whenever he jets off to race "cancer awareness" on the roads of France or Italy or Aspen Colo.

I understand Lance weighs the jet fuel and recons the flight paths to maximize his profits too.

But are "travel expenses" handled differently for a non-profit versus Lance's personal business tax deductions?

Maybe Lance is "giving" the deductions to the LAF instead of taking them for himself....

 

[Dr. Maserati]

YOu don't think the SPEAKERS and PANEL MEMBERS had their travel covered?

And how many livestrong employees traveled... and from where... and what class of ticket?

100 people from Houston round trip at an economy class would be 150,000. Business class would be 500,000 dollars. They also had events of some sort in other places during 2008 and 2009.

You seem to think the number comes entirely from jet fuel. Jet fuel costs around 6 dollars a gallon. A gallon of jet fuel weighs 6.8 pounds. An hour of flight in a G-5 burns 2000 pounds of jet fuel. So your talking about 566 hours of flight time for a million dollars... or 23 straight days of flying.

Air travel isn't that cheap... especially if you don't make employees fly coach. While fuel cost is one explanation for the added cost... travel to overseas events that didn't exist in prior years seems like another explanation. I fail to see how the jet fuel idea is more reasonable.

Both are possible... who really knows what happened. Maybe it's a combination of the two.

Where are you pulling these figures from?

100 people from Houston? There are less than 80 LAF employees, you seriously think they were all in Dublin?

Also to run a Gulfstream IV (which is what LA has) per hour is over $4,700 per hour.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

What exactly do you object to about the conference: the city, country, the date, or that the event coincided with the racing schedule of the eponymous leader of LAF. If you were planning something like this, why would you schedule it to conflict with Lance’s ability to participate? As I recall, the idea was for him to bring his message – whatever it is/was -- to places where he had not raced before. Unless I am mistaken, Ireland is one of those places.

Where did I mention I had anything against the conference, the city or the country? Oh, thats right I didn't.

The "whatever it is" is Cancer Awareness - the Australians must be awful stupid as Lance has to go there for a 3rd time to tell them.

 

[patricknd]

So what does voluntarily and very publicly owning up to cheating, lying, and defrauding people say about one's character? And if "past behavior often dictates future actions", what does voluntarily admitting to one's indiscretions suggest for what actions Landis might take in the future? Landis isn't dumb - he knew that he was opening himself up to all manner of potential legal challenges, lawsuits, etc, yet he still was willing to come clean. What does that say about his character?

he kinda had to confess to get a shot at the whistleblower cash.

if you believe in floyd i've got a bridge i'll sell you, real cheap

 

[miloman]

Where did I mention I had anything against the coference, the city or the country? Oh, thats right I didn't.

The "whatever it is" is Cancer Awareness - the Australians must be awful stupid as Lance has to go there for a 3rd time to tell them.

Then in February it is announced that LA is to ride in the Tour of Ireland..... and that the Global Conference was to take place in Dublin starting the day after the race ended.
Handy that you can arrange conferences around your racing programme.

You’re calling out the Australians now? I don't think that's a good idea. And by the way, Lance was also in France – 9 or 10 times, how is that relevant? Some stops were duplicates like the aforementioned, for obvious reasons, and others new. And it seemed from you post you had an issue with something, I was just trying to get to the bottom of it.

 

[danjo007]

lance really never did have cancer; he faked it - just ask any of numerous morons here! they know for sure everything about lance, what he does, and how he does it.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

You’re calling out the Australians now? I don't think that's a good idea. And by the way, Lance was also in France – 9 or 10 times, how is that relevant? Some stops were duplicates like the aforementioned, for obvious reasons, and others new. And it seemed from you post you had an issue with something, I was just trying to get to the bottom of it.

It doesn't suprise me that you have no idea what the issue is.

As I have already shown, Lance gets invited to a race which he is usually paid a large appearance fee, and shortly after there is a LAF conference in the area. A handy way to have his private expences picked up by the LAF.

 

[miloman]

It doesn't suprise me that you have no idea what the issue is.

As I have already shown, Lance gets invited to a race which he is usually paid a large appearance fee, and shortly after there is a LAF conference in the area. A handy way to have his private expences picked up by the LAF.

I must have missed the conference after Tour of the Gila, and the Leadville 100, were they great?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I must have missed the conference after Tour of the Gila, and the Leadville 100, were they great?

Nah, he couldn't put that through as part of the 'Global' campaign.

But don't feel to bad for LA, Gila is sposored by SRAM..... which LA is a part owner of and he did turn up at both events in his Mellow Johhny kit, so they weren't wasteful trips.

 

[miloman]

Nah, he couldn't put that through as part of the 'Global' campaign.

But don't feel to bad for LA, Gila is sposored by SRAM..... which LA is a part owner of and he did turn up at both events in his Mellow Johhny kit, so they weren't wasteful trips.

So, I’m confused. Here are two races and no conferences. I guess your assertion is wrong. Even the ever powerful and evil Lance Armstrong can’t “arrange conferences” around his racing program. Maybe, just maybe, all is not as it seems. Who does Lance answer to? Who is the Dark Lord’s Emperor? “Luke . . . I am your Father!”

 

[Martin318is]

So, I’m confused. Here are two races and no conferences. I guess your assertion is wrong. Even the ever powerful and evil Lance Armstrong can’t “arrange conferences” around his racing program. Maybe, just maybe, all is not as it seems. Who does Lance answer to? Who is the Dark Lord’s Emperor? “Luke . . . I am your Father!”

No, you are going the wrong way with this.

The real point to spot in that is that those two races are relatively local for Lance and so he didn't NEED to set up a conference so he could fund his journey.

Its all quite obvious if you stop and think about it for a moment or two.

 

[D-Queued]

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if you believe in floyd i've got a bridge i'll sell you, real cheap

Is that the one that Lance built?

This is the house that Lance built

These are the PEDs that lay in the house that Lance built

These are the needles that were found in France
That were used for the PEDs
That lay in the house that Lance built

This is the doctor that provided the needles
That were found in France
That were used for the PEDs
That lay in the house that Lance built

This is the TUE that came from the doctor
That provided the needles
That were found in France
That were used for the PEDs
That lay in the house that Lance built

This is the motorcycle that delivered the TUE
That came from the doctor
That provided the needles
That were found in France
That were used for the PEDs
That lay in the house that Lance built

These are the panniers that were on the motorcycle
That delivered the TUE
That came from the doctor
That provided the needles
That were found in France
That were used for the PEDs
That lay in the house that Lance built

This is the blood that was in the panniers
That were on the motorcycle
That delivered the TUE
That came from the doctor
That provided the needles
That were found in France
That were used for the PEDs
That lay in the house that Lance built

This is the fridge that stored the blood
That was in the panniers
That were on the motorcycle
That delivered the TUE
That came from the doctor
That provided the needles
That were found in France
That were used for the PEDs
That lay in the house that Lance built

This is the house that had the fridge that stored the blood that Lance spilled

Dave.

 

[miloman]

No, you are going the wrong way with this.

The real point to spot in that is that those two races are relatively local for Lance and so he didn't NEED to set up a conference so he could fund his journey.

Its all quite obvious if you stop and think about it for a moment or two.

Actually, I realize that. I was trying to point out that we can only guess as to what the process was; and there seems to be plenty of exceptions to the rule. I get a little frustrated when someone purport to know how and why something was done, without having intimate knowledge. I think you would have to be Lance himself or be part of his inner circle to know for certain. Many “opinions” are being passed off as fact and contrary “opinions” are dismissed out of hand due to bias and personal agendas. It seems very difficult for some to see anything positive about Armstrong, his charity or people he associates with. I can’t believe anyone is that evil.

 

[miloman]

No, you are going the wrong way with this.

The real point to spot in that is that those two races are relatively local for Lance and so he didn't NEED to set up a conference so he could fund his journey.

Its all quite obvious if you stop and think about it for a moment or two.

Actually, I realize that. I was trying to point out that we can only guess as to what the process was; and there seems to be plenty of exceptions to the rule. I get a little frustrated when someone purports to know how and why something was done, without having intimate knowledge. I think you would have to be Lance himself or be part of his inner circle to know for certain. Many “opinions” are being passed off as fact and contrary “opinions” are dismissed out of hand due to bias and personal agendas. It seems very difficult for some to see anything positive about Armstrong, his charity or people he associates with. I can’t believe anyone is that evil.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Actually, I realize that. I was trying to point out that we can only guess as to what the process was; and there seems to be plenty of exceptions to the rule. I get a little frustrated when someone purports to know how and why something was done, without having intimate knowledge. I think you would have to be Lance himself or be part of his inner circle to know for certain. Many “opinions” are being passed off as fact and contrary “opinions” are dismissed out of hand due to bias and personal agendas. It seems very difficult for some to see anything positive about Armstrong, his charity or people he associates with. I can’t believe anyone is that evil.

As you have admitted to throwing good money away on both Lance's and Floyd's "books" you will forgive me if I assume that you might be a little on the gullible side.

 

[Polish]

As you have admitted to throwing good money away on both Lance's and Floyd's "books" you will forgive me if I assume that you might be a little on the gullible side.

"Its Not About the Bike" was a great book.
You know its true. Don't lie.

It won the prestigious William Hill Press Sportsbook of the Year" award in 2000.

Sold more copies than the 1999 & 1990 winners combined lol.

http://www.williamhillmedia.com/sportsbook_history.asp#2000
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[sartain]

"Its Not About the Bike" was a great book.
You know its true. Don't lie.

It won the prestigious William Hill Press Sportsbook of the Year" award in 2000.

Sold more copies than the 1999 & 1990 winners combined lol.

http://www.williamhillmedia.com/sportsbook_history.asp#2000
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True, it's NOT about the bike, Polish, it's about the NEEDLE, the DOPE, the FRAUD and the LIE.

 

[Martin318is]

I can’t believe anyone is that evil.

To me that isn't the question.. I don't think its a matter of him being 'evil'. He is just totally self-serving and willing to push the limits on what he can get away with to a level that goes a long way beyond what most normal consciences would accept.

Regarding the 'evil' comment itself - there are so many examples of people carrying out actions much more evil than the ones listed - that by extension, it is entirely believable that Lance is capable of these actions that people have listed. I am not going invoke Godwin's Law to name some in this post (look it up - its pretty cool) and besides, you don't need to go that far to see that the owners of Ponzi schemes, drug barons, many politicians, etc are more than capable of this behavior.