Interesting piece on Livestrong

[MacRoadie]

Armstrong lacked confidence to mix it with the 2009 climbers. His Trek bike straddled by de Generes has a triple front chainset!

That's about the only thing of his she'd be straddling...

 

[BotanyBay]

Botany, let's say we come to an agreement:

Lance gets indicted; you start posting images again. K?

I guess I no longer have to worry about Westermeyer spanking me for sexist images anymore, being that the new "From Around the Web" ads are often far more sexist than anything I ever posted. I just saw an ad with an illustration that showed two people "getting familiar" and the text reads "Learn how to join the mile-high club".

I love having Lance's "people" plastering the message boards with subterfuge. I love it when my email gets hacked and deleted. Why? Because I know that every instance is bleeding his dwindling bank account dry (little by little).

Hey Lance, no visit to TDU this year? I thought you just liked to "swing by" Australia (just like you "swung-by" New Zealand to see the bike shop you bought for TexPat) south of the Equator.

 

[BotanyBay]

Too bad they did not get the girls at the Yellow rose to sign an NDA, that would have been a smart move

Someone just got served (and not with papers).

Nice one!

 

[thehog]

I guess I no longer have to worry about Westermeyer spanking me for sexist images anymore, being that the new "From Around the Web" ads are often far more sexist than anything I ever posted. I just saw an ad with an illustration that showed two people "getting familiar" and the text reads "Learn how to join the mile-high club".

I love having Lance's "people" plastering the message boards with subterfuge. I love it when my email gets hacked and deleted. Why? Because I know that every instance is bleeding his dwindling bank account dry (little by little).

Hey Lance, no visit to TDU this year? I thought you just liked to "swing by" Australia (just like you "swung-by" New Zealand to see the bike shop you bought for TexPat) south of the Equator.

This my all time fav. quote posted on the Outside comments section:- Its awesome because it gets a free plug in for a Livestrong.com product!

"Love him or hate him, Lance changed things. I lost 25 pounds using that free Livestrong Calorie counter app. and have kept it off biking. People are fighting cancer now and thinking about healthier lifestyles as a result of Livestrong. USAPCC, great. Past of doping in Cycling, wake up people, mostly clean now but come on. Drug test football and see what happens. One article gonna make me cancel a subscription? Ha, drop the drama and get real. No Love, Hate or Incentives here. "

 

[BotanyBay]

This my all time fav. quote posted on the Outside comments section:- Its awesome because it gets a free plug in for a Livestrong.com product!

"Love him or hate him, Lance changed things. I lost 25 pounds using that free Livestrong Calorie counter app. and have kept it off biking. People are fighting cancer now and thinking about healthier lifestyles as a result of Livestrong. USAPCC, great. Past of doping in Cycling, wake up people, mostly clean now but come on. Drug test football and see what happens. One article gonna make me cancel a subscription? Ha, drop the drama and get real. No Love, Hate or Incentives here. "

LiveStrong and "As-Salāmu `Alaykum" my brutha!

 

[Dr. Maserati]

This my all time fav. quote posted on the Outside comments section:- Its awesome because it gets a free plug in for a Livestrong.com product!

"Love him or hate him, Lance changed things. I lost 25 pounds using that free Livestrong Calorie counter app. and have kept it off biking. People are fighting cancer now and thinking about healthier lifestyles as a result of Livestrong. USAPCC, great. Past of doping in Cycling, wake up people, mostly clean now but come on. Drug test football and see what happens. One article gonna make me cancel a subscription? Ha, drop the drama and get real. No Love, Hate or Incentives here. "

I hadn't visited for a while - the interns have been busy (hey y'all).

One observation - I did a search of some key words in the comments section here is how often some words were metioned:

Livestrong - 131
Cancer - 110
Research - 76
Charity - 18
Awareness - 16
LAF - 3
Lance Armstrong Foundation - 0

Livestrong is a brand, not a charity - one from which Armstrong financialy benefits, yet even the 'fans' cannot work out that the charity is the Lance Armstrong Foundation.

 

[Benotti69]

I hadn't visited for a while - the interns have been busy (hey y'all).

One observation - I did a search of some key words in the comments section here is how often some words were metioned:

Livestrong - 131
Cancer - 110
Research - 76
Charity - 18
Awareness - 16
LAF - 3
Lance Armstrong Foundation - 0

Livestrong is a brand, not a charity - one from which Armstrong financialy benefits, yet even the 'fans' cannot work out that the charity is the Lance Armstrong Foundation.

And that shows just what we are dealing with, it is not a charity they are pushing, they are pushing a product for making money on the back of cancer and that is disgusting.

Who are the owners of Brand Live$trong?

 

[Cobblestoned]

Perhaps the best part of this story is how classy the groupies have handled it

From Bill Gifford's twitter

Oh, wow. Another low out of the depth of the Matrix. Yes.
Even worse than Billford's ribbon tweet.
But actually, the hardcore groupies and hater crews do not take much from each other.
Anyway, it looks desperate to carry some uncontrolled and unmoderated tweets to here, or to choose the most *** comment to make something like a point.

Perhaps Lance should post a "best of". I guess some forum members, who now scream loudest, would make it to the top. Oh, the irony of internet life again.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Perhaps the best part of this story is how classy the groupies have handled it

From Bill Gifford's twitter

Oh, wow. Another low out of the depth of the Matrix. Yes.
Even worse than Billford's ribbon tweet.
But actually, the hardcore groupies and hater crews do not take much from each other.
Anyway, it looks desperate to carry some uncontrolled and unmoderated tweets to here, or to choose the most *** comment to make something like a point for saving the mission.

Perhaps Lance should post a "best of". I guess some forum members, who now scream loudest, would make it to the top. Oh, the irony of internet life again.

 

[Polish]

And that shows just what we are dealing with, it is not a charity they are pushing, they are pushing a product for making money on the back of cancer and that is disgusting.

Who are the owners of Brand Live$trong?

It is not disgusting, Benotti69 - it is commendable.
Seriously.

If Greg Lemond changed the focus and name of his exercise bike company to "Pedal1in6" that would NOT be disgusting.

If Greg donated a similiar portion of his revenues to 1in6 - commendable.
If Greg became an outspoken spokeman for 1in6 - commendable.
Raise awareness of 1in6. Grow the foundation - commendable commendable.
1in6 Charity Rides - commendable

Greg is wealthier than Lance. Has as much spare time as Lance.
1in6 is a great foundation. 1in6 would benefit greatly.
Not disgusting. Commendable.

 

[Anonymous]

It is not disgusting, Benotti69 - it is commendable.
Seriously.

If Greg Lemond changed the focus and name of his exercise bike company to "Pedal1in6" that would NOT be disgusting.

If Greg donated a similiar portion of his revenues to 1in6 - commendable.
If Greg became an outspoken spokeman for 1in6 - commendable.
Raise awareness of 1in6. Grow the foundation - commendable commendable.
1in6 Charity Rides - commendable

Greg is wealthier than Lance. Has as much spare time as Lance.
1in6 is a great foundation. 1in6 would benefit greatly.
Not disgusting. Commendable.

Curious... How does one measure "raising awareness"?

How does one know if they are being effective "raising awareness"?

I'm currently raising awareness of just how good Double Chocolate Porter is on cold evenings, but I can't figure out how to measure how effective I have been.

 

[Polish]

Curious... How does one measure "raising awareness"?

How does one know if they are being effective "raising awareness"?

I'm currently raising awareness of just how good Double Chocolate Porter is on cold evenings, but I can't figure out how to measure how effective I have been.

Did you know that 1in6 men suffered abuse?
That is probably more than have suffered from cancer.

If there were 1in6 wristbands and 1in6 charity rides - you would be more aware. Great Foundation 1in6.

Livestrong just celebrated their 15 year anniversary.
And 1in6 just celebrated their 5 year anniversary.
Both great foundations.

 

[Anonymous]

Did you know that 1in6 men suffered abuse?
That is probably more than have suffered from cancer.

If there were 1in6 wristbands and 1in6 charity rides - you would be more aware. Great Foundation 1in6.

Livestrong just celebrated their 15 year anniversary.
And 1in6 just celebrated their 5 year anniversary.
Both great foundations.

Are you in politics?

I'll ask again;

How does one measure "raising awareness"?

How does one know if they are being effective "raising awareness"?

 

[MarkvW]

Are you in politics?

I'll ask again;

How does one measure "raising awareness"?

How does one know if they are being effective "raising awareness"?

Probes. You measure awareness with probes. It is not pleasant.

 

[BroDeal]

Are you in politics?

I'll ask again;

How does one measure "raising awareness"?

How does one know if they are being effective "raising awareness"?

If Armstrong's bank account balance goes up from more speaking engagements then Livestrong has raised awareness.

 

[Anonymous]

If Armstrong's bank account balance goes up from more speaking engagements then Livestrong has raised awareness.

And that is why LAF changed from funding research to "raising awareness", but then most already know this.

 

[Race Radio]

Did some juicy stories leak from there then, other than Floyd's little mormon boy in the big bad city recounts of events? I must have missed that.

Some advice, if you go to the Yellow Rose don't use the corporate card. Those darn receipts never go away

 

[Race Radio]

Remember this story about the CEO of some Telecom company spent a bunch of money at a strip bar?

http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=82814

He got fired......and CEO's are SUPPOSED to go to strip bars. Can you image if was a non-profit? Don't think people would like that much

 

[COMO CYCO]

livestrong.com

I think we all need to ease up on Livestrong for a bit....after all they do post lots of helpful content. And I especially appreciate finding little traces of Lance's touch there....it really lets me know that he remains involved. Take this article, for example:

http://www.livestrong.com/article/14698-accepting-personal-responsibility/

 

[ultimobici]

And that is why LAF changed from funding research to "raising awareness", but then most already know this.

Changed? It was always about awareness. No funds have been ploughed into research into a cure at all.

 

[BotanyBay]

Changed? It was always about awareness. No funds have been ploughed into research into a cure at all.

My mother and brother both died of cancer. Consider me "aware".

Thanks LAF. Phew!

 

[Polish]

My mother and brother both died of cancer. Consider me "aware".

Thanks LAF. Phew!

Do not feel alone Botanybay. We have all lost family members or relatives to cancer. Or will lose some in the future. Maybe ourselves too.

I suppose being angry at the LAF is ok for some. But geez, many others are helped by the Foundation. Or will be helped in the future. To each their own fcol.

But if you feel over exposed or bothered or hurt by the message of Livestrong, you may want to avoid this thread. Livestrong discussions have been and will continue to be a mainstay here.

 

[blackcat]

Too bad they did not get the girls at the Yellow rose to sign an NDA, that would have been a smart move

first strip club to ply trade via non-disclosure. Like knock-shop requiring chastity belts worn permitting entry.

 

[Polish]

Some advice, if you go to the Yellow Rose don't use the corporate card. Those darn receipts never go away

Community Outreach breast cancer self exam clinic and demo. BFD

And why did Lance use the business card?
Maybe he grabbed the wrong card out of his wallet. BFD.
Forgivable.
Or he used it on purpose because it was a business affair. BFD
Forgivable.

Now if Lance did not tip well - that could prove a bit embarrassing. But still BFD.

 

[thehog]

My mother and brother both died of cancer. Consider me "aware".

Thanks LAF. Phew!

Problem now is everyone is getting caught up in the awareness v research debate. Gifford’s article was not suggesting that the theme of Livestrong is misguided. It was more presenting that whilst the platform of patient advocacy has merit the way its implemented at Livestrong is concerning. The outsourcing, the oversized marketing budget, legal & travel costs etc. and the fact that only 207 people have been through the help-line process which is also outsourced.

I too have experienced 3 family members with cancer and losing my mother also. I certainly can see where advocacy could fit into the process. It can be hard to find good information quickly at your time of need. Doctors have little time to explain the entire situation as they are overburdened with the sheer mass of patients. Nurses often become the carers and “friends” of the patients but more often than not they’re not in position to provide advice on treatment and key treatment decisions.

The problem I’ve always had with Livestrong is its simply not what it says it is. A big part of awareness is prevention. People checking themselves and know how to check themselves before diagnoses. There is literally zero information out there from Livestrong in this regard. Even after diagnosis Livestrong is only a US affair and mainly can only be utilized in Austin. Global awareness and collection of donations does nothing for cancer sufferers around the world. There is little they do outside of the US. The only global aspect is the .com site which is happy to sell products around the world. There are several other problems I have in regards to the way money is spent and its lack of transparency for the donors but this has been covered ad nauseum