International arrest warrant issued against Landis

[kurtinsc]

They charged him with Hacking. It is up to Floyd to work it out, not the police.

No, they didn't.

They wanted to ask him questions about the hacking case.

The subpoenaed him to ask those questions.

Then they charged him with not answering the subpoena.

As far as has been reported, they have NOT ever charged him with hacking.

 

[jmax22]

"I can't speak for Arnie, but no attempt has been made to formally contact me," Landis said in an e-mail to the Los Angeles Times. "It appears to be another case of fabricated evidence by a French lab who is still upset a United States citizen believed he should have the right to face his accusers and defend himself."

Landis said he didn't not know why the French judicial system was pursuing the hacking charges. "But certainly I hope it's not lost on anyone that it is a grand admission to having substandard computers at their self-proclaimed 'nation's best lab'. "

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Seriously, is Floyd a cartoon character? He doesn't know why they are pursuing the hacking charges? Maybe because it's a crime? Why would you not pursue a crime, dumbass? Feigning surprise that a law enforcement agency would pursue a crime just adds to this buffoon's idiotic persona. And that 'substandard computers' dig? If I was Floyd, I wouldn't have signed off on this statement his lawyers prepared. Dude, if you're smart enough you could breech the CIA's computers. No system is 100% secure. Please become Amish again and just go away. There are enough laughable clowns in this sport already, we don't need to bring old ones back to life.

 

[RTMcFadden]

As long as he was given the ability to comply without any severe personal expense then he should be made to do so.

Absolutely not. Once he submits to their jurisdiction, he's absolutely screwed. Imagine standing before the judge and admitting that you own no property in France, you don't work in France, and you have no family in France. The immediate conclusion would be that you are an extreme flight risk and you get no bail. So, you'd get to sit in jail while the worked everything out.

I know, all you Landis fans would see the bright side. Three hots and a cot.

 

[VeloCity]

As for the NBA/Tony Parker thing... I think you'd be suprised how little most people in the US would care. PED's in major sports here are talked about... but nobody really goes after the people who are using them all that much. Alex Rodriguez is still hugely popular, gets tons of endorsements and has admitted to using PED's. We had a NFL player suspended for steroids make the pro-bowl in the year of his suspension. Sometimes we pretend to care about it... but the majority really could care less... they just want to watch the event.

The Tony Parker thing would get a 15 second mention on ESPN when charges were filed... then another 15 seconds if a settlement or verdict were reached. It would have very little impact.

I think most Americans might have a bit of a problem with a French athlete who tested positive hacking into the computers of an American lab, stealing documents, and altering those documents to make the lab look incompetent. I don't really care what Landis' situation is, if you want to hack into someone's computer and steal documents, you better be ready to pay the price of getting caught.

 

[Kennf1]

Your right that this isn't going to be the trigger. With his quotes like:

"It appears to be another case of fabricated evidence by a French lab who is still upset a United States citizen believed he should have the right to face his accusers and defend himself."

and

"But certainly I hope it's not lost on anyone that it is a grand admission to having substandard computers at their self-proclaimed 'nation's best lab'. "

I'm not sure the it was too easy to do defence will cut it.

His quotes also prove that his technical knowledge is on a 5th grade level. A mind is a terrible thing.

 

[BYOP88]

absolutely not. Once he submits to their jurisdiction, he's absolutely screwed. Imagine standing before the judge and admitting that you own no property in france, you don't work in france, and you have no family in france. The immediate conclusion would be that you are an extreme flight risk and you get no bail. So, you'd get to sit in jail while the worked everything out.

i know, all you landis fans would see the bright side. Three hots and a cot.

roflmao!!!!!!!!

 

[Oncearunner8]

That was such a non-sequitur, it took me by surprise, and he has said so much stuff nothing ought to be a surprise anymore.

I think he is dangerously on the verge of a complete 'siht-loss' as we used to say.

'member that little puff of smoke out of the Space shuttle Challengers solid rocket boosters on its last flight as it left the launch pad? I think that post was it.

LMAO funny post.

 

[kurtinsc]

I think most Americans might have a bit of a problem with a French athlete who tested positive hacking into the computers of an American lab, stealing documents, and altering those documents to make the lab look incompetent. I don't really care what Landis' situation is, if you want to hack into someone's computer and steal documents, you better be ready to pay the price of getting caught.

I think most americans don't realize Tony Parker is French.

If that got played up in the media it might get a minute of coverage rather then 15 seconds.

We don't really do the whole "lab" thing with PED testing in the US. At no point in any steroid case can I remember the results of the tests being questioned... probably because we don't test for anything that is at all "hard to nail down".

Pretty much if you get caught in the NBA, NFL, or MLB... there's 0 chance of error. We only test for the obvious stuff. The stuff where an athelete might claim the lab made a mistake... it isn't tested. I don't think there's any blood testing in any of the major sports. The penalties are so small that players don't even bother contesting them for the most part.

The culture in the US about PED's is very different then people might think. Honestly... if you say you're sorry and sit out a month in any of the major sports... the american public is okay with it.

 

[Race Radio]

I think most americans don't realize Tony Parker is French.

If that got played up in the media it might get a minute of coverage rather then 15 seconds.

We don't really do the whole "lab" thing with PED testing in the US. At no point in any steroid case can I remember the results of the tests being questioned... probably because we don't test for anything that is at all "hard to nail down".

Pretty much if you get caught in the NBA, NFL, or MLB... there's 0 chance of error. We only test for the obvious stuff. The stuff where an athelete might claim the lab made a mistake... it isn't tested. I don't think there's any blood testing in any of the major sports. The penalties are so small that players don't even bother contesting them for the most part.

The culture in the US about PED's is very different then people might think. Honestly... if you say you're sorry and sit out a month in any of the major sports... the american public is okay with it.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

The UCLA testing lab is the busiest in the world, over 40,000 tests a year. They test samples from all over the world and develop tests that are used by labs world wide. All Olympic sports have blood testing.

 

[ravens]

Yes, and with nary a reference from either Ligget or Sherwen, they can't seem to say three sentences without pulling his name out... that's why I didn't follow it last year, after the third stage I'd had enough, everything was Armstrong doing this and will Armstrong sprint and on and on. fecking annoying as hell...
why was the world cursed with this man? Before the dope he was a reasonable Classics rider, nothing more..

The more pros that get busted, the more they rally around their christ-like example of purity, facts be damned. Perhaps if no one got busted for ... i dunno ... a few weeks or maybe months ... they'd start to turn... but I doubt it. The brand has surpassed the sport. It can't be stopped.

It's like Tiger Woods. He was responsible for such a tremendous pay day for those around him in a backwater sport, not to mention celebrity, they are wedded to him at all costs.

 

[kurtinsc]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

The UCLA testing lab is the busiest in the world, over 40,000 tests a year. They test samples from all over the world and develop tests that are used by labs world wide. All Olympic sports have blood testing.

I thought I was pretty clear in that I was talking about pro-sports... specifically basketball, football and baseball.

What I'm saying is that I've never heard a case in those three where anyone has blamed the lab for messing up a test. Perhaps it's because the penalties are so small it's not worth the effort... or perhaps because they're not testing for things where there's room for argument.

But "blame the lab" doesn't happen in US pro sports.

Olympic sports may be different... but nobody pays much attention to olympic sports unless there is an olympics going on.


Even then you have a vast majority of people who cheer for a disgraced US athelete simply because they are from the US. Angel Martino got lots of cheers from US fans while swimming at the Olympics, despite having served a steroid suspension. So did Gary Hall Jr... though his was for recreational drugs. All in all, the US sports fan doesn't care that much.

 

[Race Radio]

I thought I was pretty clear in that I was talking about pro-sports... specifically basketball, football and baseball.

What I'm saying is that I've never heard a case in those three where anyone has blamed the lab for messing up a test. Perhaps it's because the penalties are so small it's not worth the effort... or perhaps because they're not testing for things where there's room for argument.

But "blame the lab" doesn't happen in US pro sports.

Olympic sports may be different... but nobody pays much attention to olympic sports unless there is an olympics going on.


Even then you have a vast majority of people who cheer for a disgraced US athelete simply because they are from the US. Angel Martino got lots of cheers from US fans while swimming at the Olympics, despite having served a steroid suspension. So did Gary Hall Jr... though his was for recreational drugs. All in all, the US sports fan doesn't care that much.

Those three sports have drug testing policies that are a joke. So few get caught that there is no need to blame the lab.

Landis, Hamilton, and Armstrong blame the lab because they know they have fans that are stupid enough to fall for it.

 

[frenchfry]

"I can't speak for Arnie, but no attempt has been made to formally contact me," Landis said in an e-mail to the Los Angeles Times. "It appears to be another case of fabricated evidence by a French lab who is still upset a United States citizen believed he should have the right to face his accusers and defend himself."

Landis said he didn't not know why the French judicial system was pursuing the hacking charges. "But certainly I hope it's not lost on anyone that it is a grand admission to having substandard computers at their self-proclaimed 'nation's best lab'. "

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Seriously, is Floyd a cartoon character? He doesn't know why they are pursuing the hacking charges? Maybe because it's a crime? Why would you not pursue a crime, dumbass? Feigning surprise that a law enforcement agency would pursue a crime just adds to this buffoon's idiotic persona. And that 'substandard computers' dig? If I was Floyd, I wouldn't have signed off on this statement his lawyers prepared. Dude, if you're smart enough you could breech the CIA's computers. No system is 100% secure. Please become Amish again and just go away. There are enough laughable clowns in this sport already, we don't need to bring old ones back to life.

I keep looking for a reason to believe Floyd isn't a total screw-up.

He makes it hard.

 

[VeloCity]

I thought I was pretty clear in that I was talking about pro-sports... specifically basketball, football and baseball.

What I'm saying is that I've never heard a case in those three where anyone has blamed the lab for messing up a test.

But "blame the lab" doesn't happen in US pro sports.

Think that's sort of the point, though - again, hypothetically of course, if a French athlete competing in a US sports league were caught doping, blamed the (US) lab that produced the positive and claimed that it was all a big American conspiracy to prevent a French athlete from excelling at a US sport, that the American lab was incompetent, etc, and then his/her lawyer hired someone to hack into the American lab, stole documents, and then falsified the documents, I'm pretty sure no American would say, "ah, the guys been through enough, leave him be". On the contrary, I doubt many Americans would have a problem with said individual and his lawyer being issued a warrant for questioning regarding the hacking and stealing of private documents. Don't really see why it would be any different for Landis and Baker being issued arrest warrants by the French - an American judge would've done exactly same thing if the hypothetical above were the case.

 

[kurtinsc]

Think that's sort of the point, though - again, hypothetically of course, if a French athlete competing in a US sports league were caught doping, blamed the (US) lab that produced the positive and claimed that it was all a big American conspiracy to prevent a French athlete from excelling at a US sport, that the American lab was incompetent, etc, and then his/her lawyer hired someone to hack into the American lab, stole documents, and then falsified the documents, I'm pretty sure no American would say, "ah, the guys been through enough, leave him be". On the contrary, I doubt many Americans would have a problem with said individual and his lawyer being issued a warrant for questioning regarding the hacking and stealing of private documents. Don't really see why it would be any different for Landis and Baker being issued arrest warrants by the French - an American judge would've done exactly same thing if the hypothetical above were the case.

Well honestly... it's tough to say. Drugs simply aren't viewed that way in the US that much. They hypothetical is tough to imagine because it's hard to see how it would get to that point.

Overall, I don't think the US government would go about it the way the French did. They might issue a summons, but I doubt they'd issue a warrant if the person did not answer the summons if they resided in another country and hadn't come into the jurisdiction of the case since the summons was issued. I don't think a warrant would be issued unless it was an arrest warrant for the actual hacking incident.


I have no problem with the French bringing him in for questioning should he ever set foot on French soil. I don't think he should be ARRESTED at that point because he didn't travel to France on his own to answer their questions.

If they bring actually hacking charges against him, that's different. But I personally disagree with the idea that a government should be able to force you to trave halfway across the world to answer questions. Again... not to answer for a crime... just to be questioned.

It's just a little bit too authoritarian for my tastes.

 

[SlowBloke]

Warped minds

Isn't it amazing how the French can find out who hacked into the AFLD computer systems, but can't seem to work out which of the Labs employees are responsible for the constant leaks to the newspapers about failed tests.

The AFLD is a joke - unfortunately not a very funny one.

This warrant smacks of a petty move by the French establishment to extract every last possible drop of revenge against Landis.

I have read through all the comments in this thread, and I find it appalling that people jokingly dismiss the Aussie child molester, but foam at the mouth about Landis and Armstrong. I think that a lot of people here need to have a quiet word with themselves.

 

[Kennf1]

Isn't it amazing how the French can find out who hacked into the AFLD computer systems, but can't seem to work out which of the Labs employees are responsible for the constant leaks to the newspapers about failed tests.

The AFLD is a joke - unfortunately not a very funny one.

This warrant smacks of a petty move by the French establishment to extract every last possible drop of revenge against Landis.

I have read through all the comments in this thread, and I find it appalling that people jokingly dismiss the Aussie child molester, but foam at the mouth about Landis and Armstrong. I think that a lot of people here need to have a quite word with themselves.

The thread is not about the Aussie child molestor. Perhaps you should start one.

 

[Polish]

I think most Americans might have a bit of a problem with a French athlete who tested positive hacking into the computers of an American lab, stealing documents, and altering those documents to make the lab look incompetent. I don't really care what Landis' situation is, if you want to hack into someone's computer and steal documents, you better be ready to pay the price of getting caught.

I disagree that "most Americans might have have a bit of a problem" with the scenario you describe. C'mon most Americans would not notice, even on a slow news day. Well, maybe a few "save the whales" activists...

It also looks like nobody in France really noticed when the Floyd warrant was issued there last month. So professor Bordry had to get on the phone to AP and Reuters and claim that an "International Warrant" was issued for Floyd just so people would pay attention. what a joke.

 

[Kennf1]

For those who think the French investigation is all about Landis, here's some background:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...q=landis and web and floyd and cylcist&st=cse

 

[BikeCentric]

If they bring actually hacking charges against him, that's different. But I personally disagree with the idea that a government should be able to force you to trave halfway across the world to answer questions. Again... not to answer for a crime... just to be questioned.

It's just a little bit too authoritarian for my tastes.

Kurt, with all due respect, can you please go re-read the Cyclingnews.com article and/or the Reuters press release?

Both the articles specifically state that both Landis and Baker are being charged with the crime of hacking the labs computers. I repeat, both Landis and Baker, charged with hacking, arrest warrant issued for hacking.

 

[SlowBloke]

Reading the link in Kennf1's post (#144) allegedly EdF become an ''assisted witness" when being named directly by the hacking suspect, but an arrest warrant is issued against Landis, despite not being named……..

 

[ridley]

No, they didn't.

They wanted to ask him questions about the hacking case.

The subpoenaed him to ask those questions.

And you think he is going to grow a spine and stand up and answer the questions honestly this time around?

He is in waaaayyyyy too deep - and literally given up EVERYTHING in life - savings, marraige, career, ambition (although he might still have a little bit of that left).

And to some comments hight up - hacking is a serious crime and this is what is going to set the precedent in this case, regardless of the cost of $1.8mil already.

I believe we have not seen the end yet, even if FL can hide in a 1969 van on a riverbank somewhere

 

[Kennf1]

Right now, it seems the english-speaking media is only focused on the Landis and Baker arrest warrants, which leads people to proclaim that the AFLD or the French in general are somehow "still out to get Landis". But it would interesting to know the status of the overall investigation into Kargus Consultants, and Jean-Francois Dominguez, who allegedly paid a contact at Kargus for the AFLD documents. The missing piece is who hired Dominguez.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Reading the link in Kennf1's post (#144) allegedly EdF become an ''assisted witness" when being named directly by the hacking suspect, but an arrest warrant is issued against Landis, despite not being named……..

The link 'Kennf1' posted was from August 2009 - it is a background information on the case.

The EdF (Electricite de France) have since been charged by the judge.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601130&sid=aoGxzcxyS5fM

 

[Polish]

The link 'Kennf1' posted was from August 2009 - it is a background information on the case.

The EdF (Electricite de France) have since been charged by the judge.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601130&sid=aoGxzcxyS5fM

Are there two unrelated hack jobs?

1) The dopey hacking of the AFLD done by Floyd and Arnie.
2) The insidious hacking using a backdoor trojan horse on the government run agencie AFLD done by the EdF (Electricite de France).

And they only noticed the trojan horse from #2 because amateur hackers Floyd and Arnie mucked things up?

Geez, the EdF (Electricite de France) must be ****ed-off at Floyd and Arnie!