Is Philippe Gilbert Doping?

[roundabout]

No, there are enough reasons to doubt him. I won't go over those again, but it's more than just being suspicious for the sake of it.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

You could at least try to add some controversy or opinion if you're going to be like that. You're wasting perfectly good obnoxiousness on saying nothing.

danjo has nothing to say, so you can't fault him for saying nothing.

 

[ChrisE]

LOL.

Yes, he had free reign the last few years.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gil...responsible-for-his-lack-of-victories-in-2012

To me, this guy is the most blatant rider in the peloton. Y'all can go on and on about Wiggins and Froome, but IMO it is not even close.

 

[hrotha]

“Not winning is more the fault of the other teams than of myself,” he told Het Nieuwsblad. “They no longer let me ride like I did last year.”

Is he the Mayo to someone else's Armstrong? Did other teams cry foul and did Gilbert get a warning?

 

[DBM Endurance]

I certainly hope not cause he is on fire lately!

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Classic lol.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

LOL.

Make that triple lol. It is the other's teams fault he hasn't got last years punches like on Amstel - Huy - Liege? I'm starting to think the Dutch 'journalist' was right and he did get a BP warning.

 

[The Hitch]

Funny. Gilberts number 1 fan - Pistrollero spent the whole off season arguing that Gilbert was the most marked rider of the peloton last year. But now Gilbert claims to have been given free reign.

 

[Ripper]

Yes, the latest quote snip from Phil does not sound too bright

Seriously, one or a mix of the following has occurred:
1. BP Warning, which may have contributed to #2 below
2. Off the juice (or way less)
3. Other teams have found better prep (I seriously doubt this)
4. Off season screw up with the juice, leading to season long 'issues'

 

[gustienordic]

I'd say there is a relatively good chance of doping last year, and either got a warning or messed up with it, but the burnout argument is also possibly part of it. Its pretty hard to keep your fitness at that crazy high of a level without burning out or having something similar like that happen. Warning/Bad Drugs + Burnout = terrible season.

 

[ElChingon]

Don't forget he lost his highly regarded and sought after team doctor to Team Sky

That is all you needed to know.

 

[Ripper]

Don't forget he lost his highly regarded and sought after team doctor to Team Sky

That is all you needed to know.

I thought that doc ended up at QS?

 

[Hugh Januss]

If he is this year, he is not doing it right.

 

[ChrisE]

If he is this year, he is not doing it right.

The title of this thread is not specific enough. In the present, the answer is yours. Last year, the answer is "hell yes!".

At least we have an obvious marker now on what a good PED program can do vs probable clean. Unless, of course, you are on Garmin.

 

[eporesis]

Yes, the latest quote snip from Phil does not sound too bright

Seriously, one or a mix of the following has occurred:
1. BP Warning, which may have contributed to #2 below
2. Off the juice (or way less)
3. Other teams have found better prep (I seriously doubt this)
4. Off season screw up with the juice, leading to season long 'issues'

6. Ubiquitin/thymosin doping is noted by trainers to burn out their horses and greyhounds in a year. It's abuse is more sustainable for strength athletes who aren't under constant of aerobic stress.

The way he rode in 2011 points to something novel, and the correspondence to thymosin is compelling, both in effect and aftermath.

 

[zigmeister]

Watching the Vuelta today. Steve Gogulski is talking about Gilbert in the break away. Proceeds to say, paraphrashing "It is just mind boggling that Phillipe Gilbert hasn't won a race all this year. Last year, he was seemingly winningly everything at will."

Gee...I wonder why?!?!

 

[Lanark]

Story in NRC today says multiple (ex) Lotto riders say that Gilbert often rode on false TUE for cortisones, provided by team docter Jan Mathieu (who prides himself for the victories of Gilbert). The (anonymous) riders say they used cortisones as well at Lotto.

Thomas Dekker is a likely source, because he already admitted he used cortisones at Lotto on 2008 with a false TUE.

 

[screaming fist]

Story in NRC today says multiple (ex) Lotto riders say that Gilbert often rode on false TUE for cortisones, provided by team docter Jan Mathieu (who prides himself for the victories of Gilbert). The (anonymous) riders say they used cortisones as well at Lotto.

Thomas Dekker is a likely source, because he already admitted he used cortisones at Lotto on 2008 with a false TUE.

Do you have a link for that?

 

[hidache]

https://twitter.com/thijszonneveld

 

[sublimit]

Might of been for acne treatment not to make him ride faster.

 

[Arnout]

Or for hair dyeing.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

versus

Dunno what he has been doing on the weighlifting scale but he has grown HUGE imho.

He always was such a lean rider, rouleur

now he looks like he is made out of concrete.

Always liked him at FDJ I must say. It is not like he came out of nowhere. His 2011 campaign was extraterrestial. To say the least.

 

[Lanark]

Gilbert's reaction is absolutely hilarious.

He says he is 'surpressed'. 'I have practiced my profession serious and in the best possible way. Both before and after I raced with Lotto I have won big races, most of them in a similar (what is said to be 'typical' for me) way. I hope that says enough'

Translation done by me, but in the original Dutch is just as vague and ambigious.

 

[peace in middle east]

Gilbert's reaction is absolutely hilarious.

He says he is 'surpressed'. 'I have practiced my profession serious and in the best possible way. Both before and after I raced with Lotto I have won big races, most of them in a similar (what is said to be 'typical' for me) way. I hope that says enough'

Translation done by me, but in the original Dutch is just as vague and ambigious.

gilbert's looking for a carpet to shove this story under.

 

[Panda Claws]

Gilbert's reaction is absolutely hilarious.

He says he is 'surpressed'. 'I have practiced my profession serious and in the best possible way. Both before and after I raced with Lotto I have won big races, most of them in a similar (what is said to be 'typical' for me) way. I hope that says enough'

Translation done by me, but in the original Dutch is just as vague and ambigious.

Source? I want to read it in Dutch too.