What's the next question? Is it possible to run 100 meters without doping? Nah, they just dope so they can cross the line....
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Benotti69 said:I wouldn't be so naive to judge others performance abilities on my own limited one.
Plenty of people have the physical ability, after big massive efforts, recuperate enough to make another one the next day.
Plenty of people in the third world do this to surivive day after day.
Netserk said:What's the next question? Is it possible to run 100 meters without doping? Nah, they just dope so they can cross the line....
MarkvW said:Well, Maserati . . .
You agree that it is dysfunctional . . .
You agree that it is filthy (with the doping and corruption) . . .
I think that you agree it's exploitative . . .
and . . .
I think that you agree it's fun to watch.
What's left?
Dr. Maserati said:Because you believe its fun to watch based on your other points.
I know it is not, indeed all cyclists do.
Beech Mtn said:In Fignon's book, he argues that making races shorter and/or easier actually encouraged doping. He basically said that in the "old days" the longer races were naturally selective, weeding out the lesser talents. He said the easier races meant it was possible for the lightweights to dope and be there in the finish, so lots of people had incentive to get on the juice.
Make of that what you will.
http://new.livestream.com/yalelaw/SpinningOurWheelsalitogata said:I think that the opposite is more probable. No one needs to dope in order to finish f.e 100 km even on every day basis, because in such "short" distances is eliminated the factor of exhaustion and so the need of "help" in order to expand the performance or speed up recovery.
zigmeister said:This thread confuses me.
The question is whether it is impossible to win the TDF without PEDs?
Well, if everybody is clean, then the winner will not be on PEDs? What am I missing?
This just assume the winner is always doped up...
ElChingon said:I think you're missing the riders who dope no matter what the race is from the city limits sign sprint to a Tour de France. They mess up the whole thing for some odd reason, it has been attributed to financial and personal ego, but many people are doing a super research on the matter looking for additional reasons still uncovered since the bike race began, of course requiring more money, researching such things can't be that simple
BroDeal said:Impossibru! You cannot win the Tour without dope. That has been true for twenty years now. There is scant evidence there have been enough changes to make it untrue. Sky 2012 should disabuse everyone of that fantasy.
Netserk said:What's the next question? Is it possible to run 100 meters without doping? Nah, they just dope so they can cross the line....
Annalogies are not understood here? The twitter generation.Zweindorf said:Is the Tour De France impossible to win without using performance enhancing drugs ?
Discuss...........
Netserk said:http://new.livestream.com/yalelaw/SpinningOurWheels
Listen to one of the last questions (in the end).
Zweindorf said:Is the Tour De France impossible to win without using performance enhancing drugs ?
Discuss...........
alitogata said:I know better ways to make my living. Sports didn't invented in the first place in order to cover people's livelihood needs.
Fortyninefourteen said:You mean, "Can the Tour de France be won without cheating"...
Obviously not, because a clean peleton would never be be to make it to Paris. They would all be withered by the roadside like litter after a feed zone. Begging for dope like junkies. Zweistein?
ChewbaccaD said:Nice Trollkraft.
Anyway, thanks for admitting you're a lazy slacker, unwilling to do what it takes to be successful. Self-actualization is admirable.
alitogata said:What is a Trollkraft? Why do you thank me?
MarkvW said:There may be organic problems with that guy.
alitogata said:I watch it all, (including the last question ). The guy in the panel gave the speed factor. According his opinion, even in the case of easy routes, the speed will have to get higher and then the athletes will have again to get doped.
FitSsikS said:Just about every cyclist who gets caught (and admits it) says,
"I was only doping to keep up."
So you just have to find that one guy who was doping to win.
It was probably just Lance.
ChewbaccaD said:Nice Trollkraft.
Anyway, thanks for admitting you're a lazy slacker, unwilling to do what it takes to be successful. Self-actualization is admirable.