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Nobody knows, he's probably just assuming based on his age and inexperience would be my guess. But I think every who doesn't take Del Toro seriously from now will make a big mistake, because I think he's the favorite at this very moment. He was on an exceptional day today obviously, he's allround, so the only question for me would be the 3 high mountain stages and maybe team tactics. But everyone else has question marks as well
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The guy beat Ricitello in l'avenir in the high mountains when he was still an u23 rider on the small Mexican/San Marino club team and did well on the last 3 stages of the Giro della Valle d'Aosta (4th on all 3 mountain stages) while all his teammates had DNFed the race after stage 2. Imo him winning l'Avenir while riding Mexico and being part of a small club team is more impressive than Ayuso's u23 season, he was already coached by Pogacar's coach back then and had the UAE structure already supporting him. IMO Del Toro has more upside.
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I only knew this guy was really strong, but these interviews demonstrate he's an affable cool cat as well. I'll be hoping he continues to do well.
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Been looking for someone to root for in this race. Very quick to laugh and easygoing.
Always interesting to see how much less the actual riders worry about tactics and wheelsucking than the fans. They get it.
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The RAI commentary of Garzelli and Panchani highly praised Wout for his tenacity not to abandon the Giro when things looked break. Never mentioned that he was wheelsucking, rather was just at the limit. After the race, interviewed Wout said he was suffering behind Del Toro and just gave everything to hang on up to Piazza del Campo in the hopes of winning the sprint, because he knew the Mexican would get the maglia rossa. Seems legit.
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Del Toro is a pure, exceptional talent. Today was just awesome. Even Wout taking the knee to show respect, and him getting the win—just cool. Thumbs up all around!
View: https://x.com/TeamEmiratesUAE/status/1924127882881675447
View: https://x.com/TeamEmiratesUAE/status/1924127882881675447
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This looks so performative though. I don't necessarily mean they don't mean it, but it just looks so performative. It's not for them, but for the camera forwarded to us who watch them. Maybe in a world they wouldn't have to act a certain way in front of the cameras they still would do it. But here we are watching them feed us.
I am curious to see how UAE will proceed. Del Toro in pink was certainly not plan A. Yesterday Jens Voigt, as a motorcycle reporter for Eurosport/TNT, said that Del Toro's spare bike was in the middle of the car. That would indicate that he is in 4th-5th place in the team hierarchy and that the spare bike for the best riders are on the outside.
UAE now has 4 riders in the top 10, so either they actively drive with all 4 and let them attack. Or you settle on 2 leaders. But it's hard to say at the moment. Del Toro, Ayuso, McNulty have not yet proven that they can win 3 weeks. Yates is certainly not plan A at the moment. So it remains to be seen whether Del Toro gets support - and whether he can do 3 weeks. The future looks promising. However, there are slowly too many possible captains at UAE.
UAE now has 4 riders in the top 10, so either they actively drive with all 4 and let them attack. Or you settle on 2 leaders. But it's hard to say at the moment. Del Toro, Ayuso, McNulty have not yet proven that they can win 3 weeks. Yates is certainly not plan A at the moment. So it remains to be seen whether Del Toro gets support - and whether he can do 3 weeks. The future looks promising. However, there are slowly too many possible captains at UAE.
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Yes, there are cameras everywhere and most of it ends up on social media (sometimes manipulated with AI), but real things still happen. In fact, it would have been weird if they didn't interact afterward. Were TP and MvdP also acting after those races when they were joking around?
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Tbh, the current situation shouldn't be that difficult tactically. Del Toro defends, and Ayuso does not need to wait for Del Toro. It helps there's a TT on Tuesday to give more information before any decisions need to be made.
Obviously, there's the idea to use the strength in numbers to be aggressive, but this seems unrealistic simply because we never see this in action when a team has the lead.
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It's really quite simple, two guys gave it their all, one got the stage, the other the maglia rossa. Both went to the limit in different ways, both got a prize. They thus were temporarilly brothers in arms and, temporarilly, affectionate comrades...until the war resumes.
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TLDR: just autistic knee jerk reaction and musings. No hate.
I think it's more like it's night and I got on philosophical sleepy mode. (Maybe a post for the state of the forum thread 🤣) but also just pure instinct on my part. Brain fires "fake". Brain won't stop fingers from writing and posting 🤣
Since you asked for a comparison to Pog and MvdP; Pog doesn't come off as the slightest authentic to me so I'd rather not comment on him 🤣 MvdP feels much more emotional to me. He's comes off mentally like a child, very fragile. Almost painfully authentic sometimes.
Del Toro looks a bit awkward here. Wout (even in in general) comes off as a bit awkward. The situation is a bit awkward, that might cause my reaction. Hence I won't say they don't mean it. Because I'm merely an outsider watching. I don't know what's running in their heads.
My musing on cameras is much more just musings, even if I believe there's science to back up that people change in front of a camera.
I believe if I had a tinfoil hat on I wouldn't question my own thoughts so probably no tinfoil hat but what do I know
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But they look so awkward 😬 🤣
It's part of the reason I watch cycling and not football though.
Maybe the average cyclist awkwardness level is like Messi 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🥰
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I don't think they had the energy or desire to "do one for the audience on camera" fake take. Besides they embraced immediately after the finish, which amidst the tumult was so fleating that it was bearly caught on camera. Being on the teams they are, they should hate eachother. Instead we saw mutual joy and respect, because two champions put on an exceptional show in a race that will go down in the chronicles for this year. The genuine embraces arrose spontaneously as a result.
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I'd go with Roglic first Del Toro second and Ayuso third, and small gaps which cause UAE fans to really question that they didn't completely go with just one leader from the beginning of the second week on. TT can totally change this though.
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I don't think he'll win, but no one thought Carapaz would win either in 2019.
The Movistar leader was Landa (Ayuso), and Carapaz was a promising rider, but no one thought he could win (Del Toro).
Nibali and Roglic were more favorites before the start 2019 Giro (Roglic).
Nobody thought that Kuss would be able to reach the lead at the end of the Vuelta. And Kuss's limits were more widely known, so it made more sense to think he wouldn't last. Del Toro's limits are not widely known due to his youth.
It seems similar to 2019 Giro.
The Movistar leader was Landa (Ayuso), and Carapaz was a promising rider, but no one thought he could win (Del Toro).
Nibali and Roglic were more favorites before the start 2019 Giro (Roglic).
Nobody thought that Kuss would be able to reach the lead at the end of the Vuelta. And Kuss's limits were more widely known, so it made more sense to think he wouldn't last. Del Toro's limits are not widely known due to his youth.
It seems similar to 2019 Giro.
I wouldnt be entirely surprised if he is able to bring this one home. To me he is a future GT winner, the way he pushes the paddles just seems so extremely easy, that sometimes its just like you are watching Pogacar himself. (With some less watts at the moment)
The guy is also super allround, very good Climber, really punchy, good TT, great downhiller and also good in these type of sterrato races. With years and experience the output in watts is likely to grow, but in this Giro he might just already have the level to keep the jersey all the way to the end if his team supports him.
The guy is also super allround, very good Climber, really punchy, good TT, great downhiller and also good in these type of sterrato races. With years and experience the output in watts is likely to grow, but in this Giro he might just already have the level to keep the jersey all the way to the end if his team supports him.
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He raced the WC U23 ITT last year, which was longer.
It's gonna be like 32 minutes, nothing mythical in terms of distance.
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