Isaac Del Toro thread

[Didinho]

He raced the WC U23 ITT last year, which was longer.

It's gonna be like 32 minutes, nothing mythical in terms of distance.

Didn't do the research but that's what I read in the newspaper. Maybe he meant on pro level.

 

[hayneplane]

Never ridden such a significant TT. He is a decent rider against the clock but this is a sink or swim moment. Will he fly with the mythical powers of a grand tour leaders jersey or suffer from the pressure and expectations.

I expect him to lose a bit (10-25 seconds to Roglic) and but imo the biggest pressure is on Ayuso to end the day closer in GC to Del Toro than to Roglic in order to assert the team pecking order.

 

[solo80k]

Never ridden such a significant TT. He is a decent rider against the clock but this is a sink or swim moment. Will he fly with the mythical powers of a grand tour leaders jersey or suffer from the pressure and expectations.

I expect him to lose a bit (10-25 seconds to Roglic) and but imo the biggest pressure is on Ayuso to end the day closer in GC to Del Toro than to Roglic in order to assert the team pecking order.

Because of the lack of experience I estimate he can ship up to 2s/km to the top GC contenders (Roglic/Ayuso) so any loss below 60 sec can be considered a good ITT. If he's able to stay within 15-30 secs, the main rivals should be bothered.

 

[Berniece]

It's gonna be the longest TT distance he's ever done. Like in the high mountains, we don't know yet what he's capable of in these TT's.

It's longest he's done at pro-level, but not that much further than ITT in Vuelta last year. 24.6km v. 28.6km.

In the Vuelta he was in worse shape, and with a lot of ups and downs in performance, he finished 42s behind Roglic. I think he'll lose 30-45s tomorrow.

 

[Extinction]

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I wouldnt be entirely surprised if he is able to bring this one home. To me he is a future GT winner, the way he pushes the paddles just seems so extremely easy, that sometimes its just like you are watching Pogacar himself. (With some less watts at the moment)

The guy is also super allround, very good Climber, really punchy, good TT, great downhiller and also good in these type of sterrato races. With years and experience the output in watts is likely to grow, but in this Giro he might just already have the level to keep the jersey all the way to the end if his team supports him.

We gotta wait and see for the high mountains, but looks promissing. On the other hand, you don't perform like that on the sterrato uphill and then suddenly lose form, especially since he is a climber. I'll be watching with great interest to see how he does in week three.

 

[Extinction]

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Never ridden such a significant TT. He is a decent rider against the clock but this is a sink or swim moment. Will he fly with the mythical powers of a grand tour leaders jersey or suffer from the pressure and expectations.

I expect him to lose a bit (10-25 seconds to Roglic) and but imo the biggest pressure is on Ayuso to end the day closer in GC to Del Toro than to Roglic in order to assert the team pecking order.

If he's on a super day he'll be with Ayuso and Roglic, more or less, then ad astra.

 

[jmdirt]

In another thread it was stated that being affected by weather is an 'opinion' (I don't agree), but here is IdT's 'opinion' that it is slowed him:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clWfAMLiXMk

 

[AlfaLum]

The way he won that sprint today behind Carapaz was kinda impressive

 

[jmdirt]

Another great ride young man!

 

[Offline]

He should be UAE clear leader. Ayuso have too many off days

 

[pelotonIQ]

3rd week will be exciting. Ayuso will attack Toro and they will race it out.

 

[CyclistAbi]

This is on how Jonas must have felt, when team abandoned Rogla.

 

[Escarabajo]

This is the Giro 2004 all over again.

 

[will-10]

This is the Giro 2004 all over again.

It's only the 2004 Giro's younger brother at the moment, although I'm happy for Ayuso to win the GC if he solos in from 60km to go one day next week.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

He‘s got to watch out, he‘s sprinting hard all the time while Roglič is sprinting easy I guess? If he sprints for a minute more over the course of the Giro, that‘s like accelerating out of 15 more corners or trying your best to get into a breakaway like… twice or thrice. You pay for that with minutes if not hours in the third week.
Edit: weewoo sarcasm alert

 

[Rou]

He‘s got to watch out, he‘s sprinting hard all the time while Roglič is sprinting easy I guess? If he sprints for a minute more over the course of the Giro, that‘s like accelerating out of 15 more corners or trying your best to get into a breakaway like… twice or thrice. You pay for that with minutes if not hours in the third week.

Roglic is not sprinting not because he doesn't want but because he can't. We don't know what the level of del Toro is.
Last year Pog was burning way more energy both in the Giro and Tour and in the end his opponents cracked and not him.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

He‘s got to watch out, he‘s sprinting hard all the time while Roglič is sprinting easy I guess? If he sprints for a minute more over the course of the Giro, that‘s like accelerating out of 15 more corners or trying your best to get into a breakaway like… twice or thrice. You pay for that with minutes if not hours in the third week.

Perhaps he has insane recovery. Matxin only signs riders with the right numbers.

 

[AlfaLum]

He is spending some energy, but it is not like he is spending way more energy than the others. The difference between after the finish between van Aert en Del Toro was striking.

 

[jmdirt]

IdT! Another great day young man!

 

[Cycling111]

As of today, he's the strongest in the race. He'd have to take advantage of Sunday because it's unknown what will happen in the third week.

If Ayuso has a bad day as usual, UAE may regret not giving Del Toro more freedom to get more time.

 

[topcat]

It's blindingly obvious what's going to happen. Rog will limp along until he launches the bazooka on Finestre. Ayuso will drop like a hound dog in front of the fireplace, del Toro will wheelsuck the wheelsucker and win the Giro.

 

[Oldman]

Roglic is not sprinting not because he doesn't want but because he can't. We don't know what the level of del Toro is.
Last year Pog was burning way more energy both in the Giro and Tour and in the end his opponents cracked and not him.

Seriously? Roglic barely gets out of the saddle and spins to close the gaps created by UAE guys, beats them all in TTs and the suggestion is he can no longer sprint? That's what folks said about Wout a week ago.

Comparisons to Pogacar last year aren't relevant to this race. Pogacar had UAE at full strength and the field gave up...completely. Roglic is conserving what team he has as much as himself with the hope they are strong, week 3. Meanwhile Del Toro is gaining several seconds using Yates and others regularly. Let's see how the domestiques fare in week 3.

 

[Cookster15]

will wheelsuck the wheelsucker and win the Giro

It is absolutely not "blindingly obvious" that will happen. This is a guess. How do you wheelsuck on a 9% 18km mountain?

 

[Cycling111]

Pogacar's team at last year at Giro wasn't as good in the mountains. When Makja was Pogacar's last domestique and Pogacar attacked, there were usually 8-10 riders in the group.

And in the Tour, even though the team was strong, Pogacar always attacked with his biggest rivals in the group, Almeida never dropped them like Kuss has done in some GTs.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Abandoned by the team.